pete enns universalism

Treasures Old and NewSunday, December 30, 2018. This is historically what the Church has always taught. Previously he was a Senior Fellow of . Doesnt everyone including yourself feel an urge to respond given an open forum and divergent points of view? With all due respect my guess is you dont really engage with non-believers in person? Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. Scientists tend to understand everything through the lens of our basic five senses which reside in our body and soul. Rather, knowledge of God is described by terms like: immediacy In other words, I dont believe in God because I see no evidence for God or I believe in God because the evidence proves it are both nonsensical claims for me.. True mystics do experience God in a tangible manner that is more real than anything that could ever be experienced through the five senses although those senses may be secondarily affected. Your explanation, though a bit slippery to grab with my hands, is similar to some of my conclusions, though none have given me their answer. We struggle with and within the limits of what we can come to know. Religious conviction without evidence based knowledge is why there are so many religions, denominations, sects and cults and demonizations of one by the other. Can I find a certain kind of longing and hope to possibly be filled even on the Trump Train? I would encourage you to ask God to show you His truth from His book. Now, whether this evidence is good evidence or not. Enns's methodology seems to be in direct conflict with an understanding of Scripture that affirms one divine author (and therefore one truth), and with a hermeneutic that, for the sake of knowing God and his gospel better, seeks to bring the entire relevant teaching of Scripture to bear on a particular passage.36 This is the reason, it seems . immediacy. Enns' view is that the Bible is essentially a human collection (s) of different stories (by different authors/editors) that have a common reference to "God". What gives? The way we organize socially as spiritual communities reflects how we organize the project of faith internally. ? While others can ask the question and seem to do so with little reason to give thought to which God. But you can deny that my experience reflects actual motion in reality. This emphasis on experience is important at a simple, direct level (participating in corporate worship, daily prayer, seeing/hearing God in others, etc. What are you reading good Sir, that I may know too? In regards to ones intelligence, I am reading St Teresa of Avilas Interior Castle right now and in the first parts of it she refers to herself as stupid and if they (the nuns she is writing to) understand what she is saying, it is not herself that is speaking but it is God through her. When I gave up the notion of God, I did not give up on the experiences of participation, longing, fullness, contemplativeness, depth, and immediacy. transrational Joyfully I can say that as a conservative Presbyterian, some of my closest friends are devout Roman Catholics. Why do I believe in God? So please do not think I am trying to quantitize it in some scientific sense. You made some very good points. Your argument for disbelief is foolish, because God cannot be like any of the things perceived by the senses, nor can He be said to bear any resemblance to anything which has to undergo an ordeal of change and decay. We dont know how to break down the ideologies of our false identities or how to welcome others with conflicting ideologies or identities. perhaps the matter of knowing God is based on ones necessity to survive. At the same time, I was taking philosophy and religion courses and was drawn to finding ways to explain my ongoing relationship/wrestling match with God-Jesus-Spirit. Such soon discover that He is indeed a God Who communicates and is very capable of laying out a clear path for us to follow. OT . He has written widely on hermeneutics, Christianity and science, historicity of the Bible, and Old Testament interpretation. In both stories, the boat comes to rest on a mountain and birds are sent out to find land. Slow chuckle. Certainly they are subjective but that does not then mean they cannot be compared. I suspect it is because they are not comfortable with any other way of knowing. One of the things I wonder is how these two general groups not talk past each other. 1. You just need to go a little further, Peter. Knowledge of God is described by terms like participation, longing, , immediacy.. As revealed clearly in the scriptures, God is raising up out of this raging cauldron of sin pain and suffering adopted sons(and daughters) who will embrace the process of being transformed by their tests and trials into those who will be worthy of ruling and reigning with Him throughout eternity. I mean, I continue to wonder about such questions after leaving Evangelicalism. Depending on how you interpret Gods word, I hope He is not good to it in the sense of damning nonbelievers to an eternity of torment. To the person without that God-Given faith, none of this makes any sense or is believable. He was dismissed as O.T. I'm an author and biblical scholar. This is very simple. Yet how is this testimony for more than such kind of belief being an adaptive trait? Beitr-ge zum internationalen Symposium vom 27. bis 29. Hi Pete, Living with uncertainty is a relative thing. Then here you go! Legitttttttt. Sorry, curious. Probably a different version of God I would presume. And it is worth noting that my list is subjective too. longing Instead of humbly stating this belief as an opinion, Joker3857 blatantly says "then dont be one". Professor. There are great books written by the likes of Brennan Manning on trusting God and there are great books written on eschatology (Jurgen Moltmann, N. T. Wright, etc) about Gods salvation extending from the ends of the earth. Usually we treat eye-witness testimonies as valid proofs of an experience, especially when they corroborate key elements of the same story (granted one can misinterpret what their senses tell them). Though I do see you headed in the general direction of Frank Schaeffer author of the recent book, Why I am an atheist who still believes in God. However, I think you are confusing or conflating the experience of God with the existence of God. Its not utopia but Ill take it. Anyhow, as I have stated before I respect your thoughts and journey, but I do not think it has to be every doubters Journey. Another mans spiritual experience cannot be denied. . Thats why all we need to focus on is the Way; which is your way that youre honestly seeking God. I think there are multiple reality tunnels and people make many different claims concerning their personal experiences. Really, evidence is simply a modern, western way of coming to belief or faith or knowledge? Also try googling sea of faith.. Such is life. In her book Shameless, Nadia Bolz-Weber argues for a new Christian sexual ethic that allows for moderate pornography consumption, one-night stands, same-sex encounters, and virtually any sexual activity that demonstrates a "concern for each other . 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What religion, denomination, sect or cult doesnt seek to also inculcate an acceptance of mystery and paradox?. For He received from God the Father honor and glory when such a voice came to Him from the Excellent Glory: This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. And we heard this voice which came from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. I find much of the tradition of Christianity over the last 2,000 yearsand most acutely in the generations of my life in Americato have failed what I consider to be the best centerings of the apocalyptic hope of Jesus of Nazareth. In The Sin of Certainty: Why God Desires Our Trust More than our "Correct" Beliefs, Enns argues that certainty (especially the theological variety) is inappropriate, dangerous and unbiblical. It is transrational. Dr. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. Why the need to respond ? And there are child-rearing costs to and constraints concerning size of head vs. size of pelvis. If only she knew in her lifetime that more than just those nuns was going to be reading her works but many people would be influenced and inspired by her theology. And it is that faith that is pleasing to God, and further that faith is a gift from God in the first place. Eastern University does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national and ethnic origin in its educational policies, admissions policies, scholarships, loan programs, athletic and other programs. Id rather live today in the western world than at any other time in human history. Instead only their book features inspired writingsthe truth and stories necessary to believe, and of course conservatives, moderates and liberals differ concerning what that book really means or what the most essential and necessary lessons are. However, I tend to apply such experiences to relationships that I have with the people that surround me not to the deities of ancient cultures. Introduction: This article will be on the subject of God's wrath and retribution. The Evolution of Adam: What the Bible does and doesn't say about human origins Jonathan Jong 2012, Theology and Science Abstract In this review, I summarize and critically evaluate Peter Enns's claim that evangelicals ought not read Genesis 13 literally. I do. Asking whether the enemy, or lunch, or nothing is moving in the bush over there is something we do together. Im not discounting the importance of thinking through these deep questions. And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit IMHO knowing God is as relevant as your next breath, I mean, who gave you that breath? The reason many do not talk more about these issues are beyond me (I say that knowing that many do in fact talk about these tensions Pete is one of them). How do you know these are HIS words? Im still working on itof course. I think it is safe to say that much of my academic journey has been a process of synthesizing these (and other) influences in my life. Great Value. Here are a couple ways: 1) Do they insist on making incorrect statements about the world as-is? And if your eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out. And there are also periods of painful disillusionment and depression that look like withdrawal symptoms that even Christians suffer after at least partially self-Inducing and sustaining a high on Jesus for years. Alot of us have reached the point where the only left left to do is bring people together despite our differences. Posts about pete enns written by Jesse Winn. And now my 800 words are up. But It comes at a high costthat of calories to feed the brain. Peter Enns' latest book is written in praise of question marks, especially those that crowd our minds when God goes missing. Perhaps even the characteristics on the other-way-of-knowing list are not beyond study. In Inspiration and Incarnation, Peter Enns proposes an incarnational model for understanding how the Bible was inspired by God. Adam's name appears first in Genesis 1 with a collective sense, as "mankind"; subsequently in Genesis 2-3 it carries the definite article ha, equivalent to English "the", indicating that this is "the man". Because of the differences in interpreting Adam by biblical scholars, Dr. Enns believes that it is unwise to "cling too rigidly to any one approach" (107). First, let me say that I hold to the position that without faith one cannot please God His words, not mine. Evidence used that way is a foundationalist dead end, but thats not the only way of interpreting Experience, of which scientific experiments are one kind. I love this observation, especially about projects and their being emphatically contrasted to silence and solitude. Try an approach that says were really not sure but most likely in my opinion this is the one I think it is. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two feet and be thrown into hell. One big reason is that I am convinced I would already be dead many times over without Gods guidance. He was after all, our first RC President. But regarding a mans spiritual experience cannot be denied, well the experience may not perhaps but certainly the interpretation of it can. On what basis is God still an option for you?. Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies, Back to Undergraduate Theology Department, Graduate & Online Undergraduate Admissions, Palmer Theological Seminary and Palmer College. What I have noticed especially in connection with your point about knowing God outside of our default rationalism, Pete, is that both as a church and as individual Christians in the West, we find it difficult knowing how to spend time in silence, or in solitude, away from our faith projects or church systems. Even Yale was founded by some conservative ministers displeased at the growing moderation, liberalism and theological excesses as they say it, happening at Havard. One thing that is crystal clear about Enns is that he hates rules. It was first proposed by the unorthodox church Father, Origen (ca. It is in this context, that Christianity, for me, is a profound disappointment. Matthew 13:52. Try the works of John Hick, former Evangelical who became a fascinating philosopher of religion and sought a common transcendental basis for them all. ". It sounds like you are on that path. Foreign Professionals in Babylon: Evidence from the Archive in the Palace of Nebuchadnezzar II Neo-Assyrian Texts from Nebuchadnezzar's Babylon: A Preliminary Report Cities and urban landscapes in the Ancient Near East and Egypt with special focus on the city of Babylon - with Paul Sinclair, Irmgard . First, note the way I phrased the staged questions above. Im more so now in my life in the former group of people. There is a type of love that can only be experience I think by a parent for their child. And I am not sure about the analogy concerning trusting your wife, unless you wake up everyday lying literally next to a flesh and blood Jesus who literally speaks with you or even makes you breakfast some mornings. This happens not in our mind, but in our spirit. Piper argues that God's judgments are just and shouldn't be questioned. As a Bible teacher at Eastern University and a producer of homeschool Bible curriculum, Dr. Enns through this book continues his destructive influence on the faith and biblical understanding of countless children and adults. God, our creator cannot be perceivable by the five senses for, He is not a thing-which is compound elements etc or created. @peteenns. And this is the connection to mysticism. This blog was first posted in March 2016. It is no more Western and modern than the Greek-named constellations are ancient and Greek or the Arabic-named stars are Medieval and Arab. One of the hallmarks of progressive Christianity is a rejection of biblical sexuality, and an affirmation of same-sex marriage and premarital sex. Or Osama bin Ladin or Warren Jeffs for that matter. Tweets at @peteenns. Pseudo-Solomon and His Scripture: Biblical Interpretation in the Wisdom of Solomon,, The Contribution of Ecclesiastes to Biblical Theology,. Here might be some: Healing, forgiveness, graciousness, redemption, justice, protection, universality. Simply, the method yields divergent knowings, perhaps even a different sin of certainty. Certainly, too many Islamists (by no means all) are tragically attempting to force their beliefs on others, and the result is ISIS, AQ, Boko Haram, and too many other groups. The more one believes as many as true things as possible about reality and as few of false things as possible about reality enables one to better understand the nature of the challenge, the tools available, and realistic hopes about ground to be gained, next and within the scope of a lifetime. I also would want to point out that the Christian religion has to do with a person named Jesus (as christians we believe this Jesus is still transforming lives and hes on the loose), in other words it is not just a simple have faith or belief The Christian faith is a living trust that Jesus Christ (messiah) will rescue (has will in the future) the world for a global renewal (earth and heaven). I'm attaching my 6 page summary of Peter Enns' new book, Genesis for Normal People: Enns on Genesis.doc (55.5 KB) Dr. Enns attempts to simply explain for average Christians how many scholars read Genesis. As is our deference in religious spheres to authorities revelations. Whatever the proper loci are, watch out. I am sincerely interested in your thoughts on two ideas. How could God (if He does exist) reject anyone who was honestly searching? 75-76]. 2. I am married and trust my wife but like anything, marriage is a complete trust that the other person will be faithful (for better or worse) we live in the tensions of trusting people everyday (even strangers we do not know who drive vehicles). Why do you write books attempting to make more conservative Evangelicals rethink their perspective on the authority of the Bible? . Regardless of Paul's (faulty, through no fault of his own) view of human origins, three very important elements remain in his theology, despite the acceptance of evolution: 1. Instead, it should be understood as participation in the mystery of the transformational journey toward union with God in love. Whoever accepts His Attributes to be other than His Person then actually forsakes the idea of Unity of God and believes in duality ( He and His Attributes). . Youve concisely and clearly explained the way I understand my faith and conviction in the existence of God. I get asked now and then, Pete, youre a reasonably intelligent guy, with a Ph.D. and everything. None the less, I believe in Democracy and think Iron Man is awesome. Dr. Peter Enns (PhD, Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of Biblical Studies at Eastern University, St. Davids, PA. and disasters It is knowing of a different order. in being with another person expressing love in ones flesh. Of course, it helps that I have absolutely no expectations of him whatsoever. ~ Jackson Browne. Indeed, it is a way of knowing that has been championed as part of the development of culture in the Western tradition, but to pigeon hole the method as somehow distinctively Western is to lose something about its universality in a universe that significantly appears to exhibit fundamental uniformity. depth Its not that we dont know, its that our knowing is ultimately so relative. But I dont think this way of knowing settles theGod question, since it presumes that God is anelement of the cosmos that occupies space and issubject to observation and testinglike a quasar, proton, or tectonic plateswaiting to be discovered or discerned through methods by which we know the physical world. But does anyone really need to write a book to make explicit what every religious person implicitly practices in terms of maintaining their beliefs and holy practices? I love nothing more than learning about peoples stories and would love to learn more about yours. Dave Burbank Some have thought it to be evasiveness. It is based on direct and personal encounter. There do not exist words in any language to specify or define His qualities, peculiarities, characteristics and singularities. Then once that person starts walking with God God (should) will reveal the truth to them. Read Dr. Enns onThe Bible for Normal People Peter is an Old Testament scholar (PhD, Harvard University) who currently teaches as Affiliate Faculty of Biblical Studies at Eastern University. Their work involves moving from the phenomenon through the perceptual equipment to the physical biology that makes subjective states objectively real. I have asked many people who say that they dont believe, what evidence would be sufficient for them to believe that God exists, and I think the opposite, what evidence would be sufficient to convince me that God does not exist Although, both people and God can be disappointing in ways myself included. M.Div. Youre still rooting your argument in the same notion of the proper locus of religious conviction. He is also co-founder and chief data scientist at Verasight. Peter K. Enns. http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2016/01/gods-mixed-messages-youth-pastor-killed.html Instead, we have too many that believe theirs is the only truth, and are so confident its inerrancy, they feel compelled to enforce it in a world where evidence is really necessary to develop societal mores. But what we can do is employ language to describe those deep experiences in a way to see if we are alone in them or if there are other people who in the way they respond hint at having had the same shared experience as us. At best, such persons hopes could make an iron-age reality better. " The Bible - from back to front - is the story of God told from the limited point of view of real people living at a certain place and time. A few years ago David Benners Spirituality and the Awakening Self: The Sacred Journey of Transformationwas very helpful in pushing me to look at the God question differently at a time when I was ready to hear it. Pete Enns critiques John Piper's recent remarks about the Jewish conquest of Canaan in the Old Testament. Just trust in Him. The Quran Chapter 112, Things are compound elements atoms etc, made of parts. I think the answer is bringing up the conversations more and trying to find what we have in common with each other. He speaks actively in academic and ecclesiastical venues on topics pertaining the Bible and Christian faith. So true. Peter Enns, Ph.D. Peter Enns Abram S. Clemens Professor of Biblical Studies 610-341-1491 McInnis 200B penns@eastern.edu Dr. Enns is a biblical scholar who teaches and writes on Old Testament, New Testament, Second Temple Judaism, and the intersection of biblical studies and contemporary Christian faith. Nor does it mean we cannot say anything objective about them. 1 Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; (As ridiculous as it may sound in our context) I was on a run and received a word of prophecy to deliver to an old friend. Proud men who reject His call are incredibly stupid and foolish beyond measure. But is that version of a Messiah a bringer of healing to all? Instead it looks like people have a wide variety of reality tunnels and interpretations. Lets not let a label lead us toward an equivocation. Basis for my response: 2 Peter 1:15 to 2 Peter 2:2. So I would never presume to tell someone like Pete or the Dali Lama that their experiences are not in their subjective sense real. Only that any confidence they glean from those experiences to then conclude what they believe they encountered they actually in fact have, well, that I would claim is highly suspect and demonstrably so. I would like you to rethink your own perspective a bit more, perhaps move a bit more toward universalism and religious pluralism like John Hick, but even that would not be nearly as far away from your present point of view as the distance you have already come from fundamentalism to your present point of view. R'eyes via Compfight Peter Enns is the master at creating blog titles that are both clever and provocative. So sad to have so much education without conviction. AMA. Or read my own my testimony where I mention the effect that finding and fully acknowledging goodness in people of all beliefs or none had on me. Polls, Statistics and other Data That is a blessing from God. 3 He begetteth not, nor is He begotten; Peter Enns (Ph.D., Harvard University) is Abram S. Clemens professor of biblical studies at Eastern University in St. Davids, Pennsylvania. So Im not really sure what your point is. On the contrary, I have never been disappointed by God. http://edward-t-babinski.blogspot.com/2015/08/christians-or-non-christians-who-suffer.html pages we were years from learning Which then opens up the question of what reality it what knowing we are engaged in. Im all for that. When people insist that the Apostles Creed is where you have to start, its no wonder that you wind up with some people who dont believe in God and other people who dont believe in the World. He has written numerous books, including The Bible Tells Me So, The Sin of Certainty, and How the Bible Actually Works. But in essence our Christian hope is a trust that God will in fact be good to his word (which is trust now verifying the identity of God through science observation seems impossible but there are many things, and I say many things we cannot fully grasp by using human studies, judgments, experimentation, etc). God is just another word for magic. 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