(COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:53:33] PHILLIPS: It was 1994. HART MCKINNY: I'm thinking that she wanted to protect the integrity of the trial. PHILLIPS: Bernard Parks was an LAPD deputy chief when Fuhrman came up to promotion. You're never going to find. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman's words would inspire McKinny's writing for decades. - Describing suspect, 'Commander Hickman, was a dickhead. 'Two guys, well, there was four guys. O.J. - On working Mardi Gras, 'There is going to be a massacre in the future and they know that. Aired 11p-12mn ET Aired July 21, 2017 - 23:00 ET THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT.. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: McKinny what was your occupation? . HART MCKINNY: Approximately 42. [Women] don't pack those qualities." UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely. Trial Transcripts 06:17 BST 30 Mar 2016. She could have profited handsomely from those tapes but she didn't. There has got to be a reason why he is going to tell you the truth.' Chief Willy Williams proposed sweeping changes in how his department handles sexual harassment. Don't talk to her and they would back away. PHILLIPS: So she is telling her story, her truth and for the first time excerpts from the Fuhrman tapes you've never heard, vulgar, sexist. The glove is everything. PHILLIPS: Voices like Tia Morris. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you say on your oath that you have not addressed any black person as a nigger or spoken about black people as niggers in the past 10 years, Detective Fuhrman? He either deserves it or he doesn't.' Most things, hard lessons, are things that are thrust upon you when you don't ask for them and you have to react to them. PHILLIPS: Why would he want to keep talking to you for so many years? The defendant now seeks to offer to the jury extrinsic evidence of Fuhrman's racial bias in the form of 41 statements made by Fuhrman to McKinny wherein Fuhrman uses the racial epithet "nigger" in apparent disparaging reference to African Americans. The Fuhrman Tapes with Transcript - O.J. - On stopping black people with no probable cause, 'That's where n****** live.' Simpson was found not guilty? PHILLIPS: What do you mean brief encounters? He did specify he knew it was stemming from Fuhrman and said he was going to start an investigation and he did. PHILLIPS: In the end the task force confirmed 12 of 29 events describe by Fuhrman. If you do you're either so ugly or they're lesbians or so dyke-ish that they're not women anymore. [9], Although the LAPD Commission investigating the Fuhrman tapes "determined that in almost every instance, the now-retired detective was exaggerating or lying about episodes of police brutality," the report confirmed that Fuhrman was "telling the truth when he spoke of institutional harassment of women on the force. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The court finds the defendant guilty based on his plea of no contest. HART MCKINNY: It's an odd feeling, very odd feeling. Fuhrman Tapes Aired: a Recital of Racism, Wrath - Los Angeles Times I said I mean you guys actually go to the park after work and just drink beer and then great women? When you found out you had to work the beat with him, what's your reaction? . That person has never been revealed to me. PHILLIPS: One thing Fuhrman has said is, at times maybe I got a little carried away talking to Laura. He said in that interview that he had not told a 'willful lie' on the stand, claiming; 'I never remembered those tapes. If leaks of the Mark Fuhrman tapes are accurate, it's a force that revels in heating, shooting, harassing, framing and intimidating suspects, among other finer police tactics. He asked Ito to accept a copy of the tape transcripts with the sections about Ito's wife edited out. Meeting here at the park in the dead of night, what was your reaction? - Speaking about threats to police, 'She was afraid. PHILLIPS: And then you lost on appeal. You go to Pacoima, you got bikers and n******.' PHILLIPS: So being on this Task Force, you were privy to internal reports and Mark Fuhrman was mentioned in a number of these. Fuhrman tapes - Wikipedia PHILLIPS: As for McKinny she could no longer protect the tapes or her privacy. We have two people dead at the scene. HART MCKINNY: I think those tape spoke volumes. HART MCKINNY: Can I use all those? This is the confidential personnel version of that report. It's the man. This is dangerous? FUHRMAN: If I go down they lose the case. He even gave that response to the last question asked by the defense as to whether or not he planted evidence at Simpson's home. Fuhrman says on the tapes: "I had 66 allegations of brutality.. under cover of authority, assault and battery under cover of authority. So it was kind of shunted off to the side. We kicked the door done. He pleaded no contest to the charges in October of that year and received three-years probation, making him the only person involved in the Simpson case to be convicted on any charges. They don't want anybody but good people in their town, and anyway you can do to get them out of there that's fine with them. PHILLIPS: Stories of alleged sexism, racism, and police brutality. I was scared only because of him standing up in front of all of our peers and the watch commander and other supervisors and he flat out said I do not want to work with Morris. [1][2][3], Although the tapes became notorious for their racial slurs, the bulk of the tapes involved Fuhrman discussing an organized group of male LAPD officers known as MAW, or Men Against Women, who reportedly engaged in sexual harassment, intimidation, discrimination and criminal activity against female LAPD police officers, often endangering the female officers' lives. "Two of my buddies were shot and ambushed, policemen," said Fuhrman, according to the transcript. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you come forward, please. FUHRMAN: You got to be a border line socio path, you have to be violent and you have to walk away from blood and go to dinner. Fuhrman, a key witness in the O.J. Simpson trial is the perfect spotlight to shine a light on the injustices that have long gone . But Fuhrman wasn't the only one with this attitude towards women. Simpson Court Hears Fuhrman's Racist Slurs - The Seattle Times The revelation was priceless. Simpson Trial? Trial Transcripts Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. PHILLIPS: But Laura Hart McKinny would get much more than chills and a dramatic screen play. Fuhrman was the first cop on the scene. PHILLIPS: She teaches screen writing at the University of North Carolina, School of the Arts. PHILLIPS: But those tapes have also done exactly what McKinny started out to do. Excerpts you are now hearing for the very first time. - On America aid to Africa, 'People there don't want n****** in their town. "[5] Harrington criticized the report, saying it "was good in documenting that there is a problem, but I don't think the report offers any solutions." Torrance is considered the last white middle class society.' PHILLIPS: Laura Hart McKinny tells all. PHILLIPS: So you knew he would put the department in a bad light? FUHRMAN: Guys get a lot of time on the street, but now they are studying. However, as noted above, the court retains some discretion in controlling the inquiry. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: 42 times? Sound of former LAPD detective's words reverberates far beyond. Read Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial. What did he mean by that? MORRIS: It happened because of the lieutenant that noticed the issues were spilling over to another watch. "[8], Earlier in the trial, Fuhrman testified that he had not used the word "nigger" within the last ten years, which proved later to be perjured testimony with the admission of the tapes. It is pretty tough, huh?'. HART MCKINNY: We had a romance. It's despicable, the fact that he can think about that and talk like that makes me think it's happening and so I have to find a way to reflect that. You don't pack those qualities. I don't know if you've heard that before, but what's your reaction to that? They're like caught in between it's like half in a door and half out. - On making arrests, 'She's a policeman in this city, and don't you ever fight or f*** around with policemen. Torture, all kinds of stuff,' says Fuhrman. But then I really saw how serious Mark Fuhrman was about the other men talking to the women. Following are excerpts from the ruling yesterday by Judge Lance A. Ito of Superior Court allowing the jury in the O. J. Simpson murder trial to hear two examples of racial epithets by Detective Mark Fuhrman in conversations with Laura Hart McKinny but barring examples of Mr. Fuhrman's boasting of misconduct: The Fuhrman tapes and transcripts raise a number of complex and compelling issues. Fuhrman tapes take center stage; Goldman family is incensed August 30, 1995 . PHILLIPS: And it was sure happening in L.A. in the 1980s with resentment and retaliation against the campaign to recruit more women and minorities to the LAPD. PHILLIPS: Coming up O.J. PHILLIPS: And pled no contest to perjury. FUHRMAN: You've got to be able to shoot people, beat people beyond recognition and go home and hug your little kids. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fire and the blaze were held off by rioters. Transcript Providers Return to Transcripts main page CNN Special Reports After O.J. His voice on those tapes could not be erased. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This material is collateral. Anyone can read what you share. He wasn't going to help you. That is just right out. Screenwriter Laura Hart McKinny, who had taped an interview with Fuhrman as background for a screenplay she was writing about women's experience in the police force, turned over the tapes and. FUHRMAN: Stand around the dark parking lot of a baseball diamond drinking beer at 3:30 in the morning. He said what are you writing? . It is pretty tough, huh?' Both alive and I was first unit on the scene. "In some cases, the actions of the group inhibited some women from safely and effectively performing their duties and created fear in many women that these male officers would not provide backup if they requested it in the field," the report said. The profanity-laden recordings took place over a period of almost 10 years, from 1985 to 1994. No, because he liked to talk about his thoughts and his feelings. their faces were just mush. Simpson Murder Trial winborneb 4.06K subscribers Subscribe 41 Share Save 7.3K views 5 years ago LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the key police. HART MCKINNY: I couldn't believe it. PHILLIPS: Coming up, tribunals and kill parties. - Describing his partner on the force, 'Westwood is gone, the n****** have discovered it. Wilshire division is all n******. FUHRMAN: Sure. . They're unable to hold a gun. FUHRMAN: I thought I knew better being a policeman how to make the most controversial, outrageous, violent controversially crammed police show that we could make. Stop them. PHILLIPS: But McKinny was still thrust into the spotlight and that meant anxiety and fear. Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue -Full Story-Goldman family blasts Simpson defense -Full Story- Suits, Motions and Court Orders UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you stop and think about what you should next do? In that book he apologized for using racial slurs, said that he believed Simpson should have been arrested earlier by LAPD and accuses the prosecution of having abandoned him at trial after the release of the tapes. I thought I really need to step up my game here. Chris Spargo For Dailymail.com Judge Lance Ito ruled against use of the tape . Where's Fatburger. PHILLIPS: However, there was, as Fuhrman describes, a way to avoid being quote put on trial. Ito's Final Decision on the Fuhrman Tapes - Walraven HART MCKINNY: I could tell there was a story - I didn't t know what the story was that I was - to deal with him. They would impugn the integrity of the LAPD. Discussion of the O. J. Simpson Murder Trial Is On-Line as Well as on the Air -- N.Y. Times, February 14, 1995. Just body shots. BAYAN LEWIS, FORMER ASSISTANT CHIEF, LAPD: Because the command staff that was in charge of him did not do the job they should have done, which is to deal with the issue in a strong manner. Quote grabbed her by the hair and stuck a gun to her head. How did it unfold before you thought this guy can help me? Why had he been allowed to behave the way he did for so long and not be held accountable? 22nd and Western. Fuhrman and McKinny began meeting for taped interviews in February 1985 and continued meeting until July 1994. Did you ever at any point feel I need to report what he is saying? Which I thought he was. The nature and purpose of their relationship. PHILLIPS: He won. What Did The Mark Fuhrman Tapes Say? They Were Crucial To The - Romper The Fuhrman Tapes Came From An Anonymous Call - Bustle Chris Spargo For Dailymail.com, The Uzbek Marie Antoinette: Mindblowing life of glamorous 'princess' who sells 5,000 dresses for children - but is linked to despot who boils his enemies in OIL, Busted! And that is the way it is in the car. - Describing LA neighborhood, 'I mean, that's just the way you feel, you know. He was a big n*****, and she was afraid.' 'I don't know what else to do. "[4], In further interviews, Fuhrman made the statements "we had them begging that they'd never be gang members again, begging us" and that he would tell black people "You do what you're told, understand, nigger? He also accuses his colleagues, but not himself, of making multiple mistakes while investigating the case. Coming so quickly on the heels of the 1992 LA riots, the Fuhrman tapes forced the public to reckon with the specter of racism and police brutality all over again. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman roll playing as the quote grand dragon, leading what he describes as a tribunal, calling out a fellow officer for fraternizing with a female cop. Fuhrman, who has retired from. Questions then arose how she could not remember Fuhrman given the fact that he spoke so angrily about her on the tapes. When McKinny refused to hand over the tapes, Simpson's lawyers came to North Carolina and took her to court. Take one in the basement and just beat the dog shit out of him." August 15, 1995 . They didn't want to be detectives but now they see the writing on the wall. A key part of the defense case is the allegation that Fuhrman, motivated by hatred of blacks/African Americans and interracial couples, transported a bloody leather glove from the Bundy crime scene to the defendant's Rockingham residence for the purpose of placing the blame upon the defendant for the savage murders of Ronald L. Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. . ITO RULES OUT MOST OF FUHRMAN TAPES - The Washington Post You know they're caught between dimensions. This is bomb shell evidence and absolutely critical. His recorded words as well as his denial was a major blow to the prosecution's case. This glove was later determined to be the mate of another glove found at the murder scene and to be soaked in the blood of both victims. HART MCKINNY: I was. . The defense proffer essentially argues that because Fuhrman allegedly suppressed information given to him by Rosa Lopez that was arguably favorable to the defendant, it can be assumed that he would plant the glove. As of mid-April 1995, all transcripts were converted to proper case thanks to UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We in the jury and involve in title action find the defendant Orenthal James Simpson not guilty of the crime of murder and violation of penal code. Fuhrman also angrily refers to Simpson's lawyer Robert Shapiro as a 'Jew' and says that he looks forward to filing a libel lawsuit against him after comments he made about the detective in a New Yorker story. Like in the locker-room, some new kid, you know. , updated The probative value of the evidence of Fuhrman's use of racial epithets comes from the fact that he has testified that he has not used the term in the last 10 years, thereby impacting his credibility. Fuhrman's actions and behavior were a key part of Johnnie Cochran's closing argument, where the lawyer suggested that the detective planted the glove at Simpson's home and described him as a 'lying, perjuring, genocidal racist.'. PHILLIPS: Are you glad Laura recorded Mark Fuhrman? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are tragically into the third day of this major riot-- PHILLIPS: Los Angeles. So to this day you don't know who gave you up, basically to the defense. And the tapes ultimately led to Fuhrman pleading the 5th amendment (against self-incrimination) and becoming THE STAR witness for the defense. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The defense will question screen writer Laura Hart McKinny about interviews she taped with Fuhrman. That request was later withdrawn by the prosecution, and Judge Ito decided to stay on the case after he asked another judge to make a ruling on whether or not he believed his wife was now a relevant witness given statements made by Fuhrman in the tapes. So who told Pat McKenna you had these tapes? Fuhrman was briefly assigned to investigate the slayings of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald L. Goldman on June 12, 1994. - Discussing a rape victim, 'Now, it's funny because guys in Internal Affairs go, "Mark, you can do just about anything. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He shined his light and just sat there. PARKS: Because in the early '90s, almost the same things were happening in west L.A. That were happening in the '80s and you heard rumors about women being mistreated and not given an opportunity. PHILLIPS: Well, he became infamous. PHILLIPS: What did you tell him? Aug. 25, 1995 . UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in preparation of your testimony today can you tell the jury how many times you counted that he used that word? FUHRMAN: I assert my Fifth Amendment privilege. To bolster their case, excerpts of the tapes were admitted as evidence. The defense seeks to offer 18 incidents of alleged misconduct. That the other guys wouldn't talk with him. Gerald F. Uelmen, the member of the defense team who passionately argued for admission of 61 tapes and transcripts, rose again Tuesday to urge Ito to return to that question. McKinny, who was a professor at the North Carolina School of the Arts in its filmmaking department, was resistant to sharing the tapes and transcripts from her interviews with Fuhrman according to . Mark Fuhrmaans Testimony Transcript Lancelot outhitting autobiographically as two-sided Joshuah garagings her yellowbelly miscast atoningly. It was a misplaced effort and I did it the wrong way. They are going to say that I planted the glove to be able to sell to peddle this which is absolutely psycho. The Fuhrman tapes are 13 hours of taped interviews given by Los Angeles police officer Mark Fuhrman to writer Laura McKinny between 1985 and 1994. She also called for an independent "blue-ribbon commission" to investigate gender bias and sexual harassment issues at the LAPD.[14]. - On construction of a new police stations, By The Fuhrman tapes revealed. "No problem, not even any marks, Dana." Did you feel safe during all of that? We are no longer accepting comments on this article. PHILLIPS: So did Mark Fuhrman called you say Laura, please don't give up those tapes? Superior Court Judge John Reid said York was not relevant to the case after listening to the tapes, and the trial resumed soon after. PHILLIPS: Morris says she was so scared she didn't finish her shift that night. There's just no way to do it all. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The tenured officers, he and the other officers would sit in the back and throw paper or pencils and make loud and vulgar comments as the watch commander read our names and they say she is a pig and things like that. HART MCKINNY: Just the thought of a kill Party takes your breath away. I was an excuse. - On women playing football, 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed -- twelve in ten years. They also did not hear the 39 other times Fuhrman used the n-word tapes obtained by the defense. Because of Fuhrman's discovery of a bloody glove at the Rockingham residence and its scientific significance, he is a significant although not essential witness against the defendant. Screenwriter Laura Hart McKinny was interested in writing a screenplay and a novel about the experience of women police officers. Harrington also publicly responded to Fuhrman's views that female police officers are unfit for police work because of their biological sex. See the article in its original context from. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Detective Fuhrman, did you plant or manufacture any evidence in this case? PHILLIPS: What was your reaction to the verdict when O.J. HART MCKINNY: I trust you. HART MCKINNY: No. I was a reason the jury latched on to so they could feel good about themselves. When the LAPD officers were exonerated in 1992 the city exploded, then just two years later. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman even described disciplining one of their own. Veteran LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the most important witness for the prosecution in the OJ Simpson trial as he discovered a bloody glove on the football player's property that matched the one found at the scene where his ex-wife Nicole was murdered alongside Ronald Goldman. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Flames are jumping about 25 feet in the air -- PHILLIPS: A city torture by a history of racial rage. HART MCKINNY: I thought I have to send the tapes. Jurors aren't present, but defense will seek to have them informed of the action", "Los Angeles Police Report says Fuhrman overstated brutal exploits", "Fuhrman enters plea of no contest to perjury", "What Happened to Mark Fuhrman After the O.J. Which I thought he was. Did you even realize at the time that was such a vulgar name for a woman? It fails to support the admissibility of these incidents of alleged misconduct as prior bad acts or evidence of custom and habit. Mark Fuhrman told you he personally he felt trapped. The day after the tapes were played for the jury, Fuhrman once again took the witness stand and said to every question asked by the defense; 'I wish to assert my 5th Amendment privilege.'. PHILLIPS: Is it true you were offered $250,000 for them? CNN.com - Transcripts You'll do what you're told, you understand n*****.' UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How do you arrest a violent suspect? The judge barred the defense from submitting to jurors any statements Fuhrman made in nine years of taped interviews with a North Carolina screenwriter in which he boasted about planting. PHILLIPS: What did you say to her? Jack Walraven's Simpson Trial Transcripts - On apprehending suspects, 'What if I've just been raped by two buck n******, and a female shows up?' FUHRMAN: Call it a tribunal where we get in a circle. FUHRMAN: It's not profiling to look for a suspect -- PHILLIPS: And TV crime analyst, as for Laura Hart McKinny. Fuhrman had previously been to O.J's home, years earlier, on a domestic abuse call. Citing 'an overriding public interest' in the tapes, Superior Court Judge Lance Ito allowed Simpson's defense team to play portions of Fuhrman's audiotaped interviews with North Carolina . The thought of taking someone's life and being happy that it wasn't you and finding a way to go great job, that was a hell of an evening, it's just overwhelming, the really is, the idea of a kill party. [4] In the tapes, Fuhrman calls women "frail little objects" who "watch soap operas" and that "females lack the one ingredient that makes them an effective leader and that is testosterone, the aggressive hormone." Captain York was the highest ranking woman in the history of the force at that time and in 1985 had been in charge of Fuhrman. PHILLIPS: Why? HART MCKINNY: Bingo. [23:05:00] FUHRMAN: Have a man do it. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? To drive this home, Bailey at one point asked Fuhrman if he had ever used a racial slur, specifically the n-word, at any point in the past 10 years.
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