SOURCES Hireko acquired Dynacraft somewhere in the 2000s, I don't remember exactly when. And, as they acquire them they would tweak the designs to what is available today. With respect to backspin the numbers are incredibly close. What proved to be reality for our testers is that despite similar performance, thedifferencesin the subjective categories (in this particular case) are potentially enough to suggest that for some there is indeed $200 worth of improvement to be found in the Burner Tour. Golfworks (Malby) and Wishon Golf (Tom Wishon) are two of the best. Women's MyGolfSpy (WMGS) General Discussion Forum, Lessons, Drills, Fitness and Training Aids, Suggestion Box - Reach out to the Forum Staff (Open for All Member Responses). Once the epoxy dried, shafts were cut to a relatively modest 44.75 inches. Tim Brogan, PGA Director of InstructionCallaway Master FitterTim is the Director of the 1757 Game Improvement Center. Those involved in this great game should have a certain level of ethics. Of course, the Tour Burner was produced before things took a slightly downward dip. Thanks for the help. WebGolf Clubs. Ninety percent of amateur golfers play with the wrong equipment. The only difference is that the OEMs have more money to bullshit the people in believing their product is superior to any body elses. I paired that up w a recoil pull and I love that club, it's my go-to for tee shots if driver isn't behaving. Probably because I used cheap shafts I already had that were not really to my likening regarding feel/weighting. The reasons are many why this topic has not been fully addressed and this is one of the reasons we felt so compelled to cover it for you. it is the best $100 youll ever spend in your golf life.no club will be right if you dont build to your stats, dont go by some charts, too many variables) it amazes me what quality you can get for so little,.i buy from most,.but like Diamond tour, and ingolf(tracy), very pleasent service. As far as woods go, I stick with the name brands because there is a lot more to a wood than just to look like the other. Hmmmwe think maybe theres a chance it might.Lets go to the lab! Dave Tutelman preferred pinhawk heads over other single lengths due to their matching of his "progressive gapping" preference. Fact is players with lousy swings are still carding in the 110+ neighborhood if theyre scoring honestly. Discover more about the small businesses partnering with Amazon and Amazons commitment to empowering them. Starting should also include lessons. Dynacraft was next with Golfsmith last. Featured Categories. Maltby has been around since the mid 1970's I believe. I started getting their catalogs in the 80's and buying from them. While I remember the ACER Chances are noIf it does, it will be short lived. ! It also amazes me that anyone can play summer league baseball with a beat up mitt and an older bat, or a game of school yard basketball with an old ball and still have a lot of fun, but with golf people are made to feel they have to keep up with not just technology, but the Joness as well. GOLFSHOT APP and the MGS MEMBER VIRTUAL TOUR TRYOUT AND ANNUAL MEMBERSHIP DISCOUNT!! Golfsmith has become really copy cattish lately, but mainly because they are throwing in the towel on the clubmaking side of it. Cant help but weigh in here. Years ago Maltby (Golfworks founder) did a quality study on the tolerances of his clubs versus clones, dont recall if he sampled OEMs as well. Length adjustments usually take 48 hours to complete. Our staff of skilled club fitters and club builders are passionate about providing the highest level of customer service. Ive used their 302 model iron for years now and just recently compared their performance against several of the leading irons on the market. I also have a few different sets of clubs and many extra clubs lying around the house. Loft and lie adjustment involves the use of specially-designed equipment and a great deal of experience. A Clone or Knock off is not hard to see. Note: The FTC considers the terms Clone and Knock-Off to be identical. Price and materials/construction dont necessarily mean everything in my experience. Do the clubs from Hireko stand up to Maltby? Lets connect the dots. By far the best feeling head/shaft combo Ive ever had. still undecided on shaft. Because the ball position and club length are the same, you can use the same swing for every single-length iron, improving consistency and repeatability. who would do that ? Great story I play a complete set of Ping I20s purple dot. Great read! Its unfortunate that it is that way- but these clones/component brands do offer some that may not otherwise get the pleasure of playing such a great game a chance to do so. The lofts of the warp speed heads closely match the EDEL one length irons, so the distances between clubs is easily accomplished using back weighting. Single-length irons allow you to use the same ball position and setup for every club, giving you less to think about before swinging. WebGigaGolf Custom Golf Clubs FREE STAND BAG with $500 custom Learn More a GIGAGOLF EXPERT for club fitting assistance or to place an order by phone (M-F) 8 to 5 est Learn More Play better golf with custom clubs fit I believe hirekobought out dynacraft the same way that diamond golf bought wishon? I started getting their catalogs in the 80's and buying from them. For those that are dead set against clonesyou should remember this.many name brand models are modeled after other companies designs as well. I think there is some difference there and wasnt too happy with a couple of clone drivers Ive purchased in the past which couldnt match the performance of a 10+ year old Orlimar driver. Looks As you might expect the Burner looks much more refined. TaylorMade gets credit for the original design. Reminds me of the guy from the PING fitting van yes, all our products are Made in the USA the you flip the club and it had a big sticker saying designed in the USA, head manufactured in China, assembled in who knows where. I think I am going to get some components and try building an over length set. I dont play clones because I cant afford the name brands. This doesnt count the shafts, grips and balls Ive gone through. Ill use Infiniti as an example. In 1997 R.J. Liou reached a settlement with Callaway. Looking at the group as a whole, we found that the Burner produced swing speeds that were on average 2.39 MPH faster than the Heated clone. and components (i.e., Alpha, Hireko, Golfworks, Snake Eyes, Wishon, KZG, etc.). Its almost laughable to make those type of statements! Counterfeits like we said are NOT the same as clones and the counterfeit equipment is often the cheapest and lowest quality equipment. I am only new to golf but got a set of clones from giga golf for a bargain price. Do not know how close they are to spec or how they rate to the other good non OEMs. 2nd Swing offers the largest selection of used golf clubs both online and in our stores, including every brand and model imaginable. And I think you might be in for quite a surprise! If your not a sub 10 handicap chances are you arent good enough to fully take advantage of the clubs your hitting. The top-tier which has a larger capacity and better quality makes the top brand names. I give them 5 stars. However to say if we hit one thousand shots with the same club we can get a very good idea of our results. Contrary to a traditional set of irons, the SL's are all designed to be the same length throughout the entire set. Nearly all heads are made in China, but that isnt the point. Well today youre going to find out once and for all. There is no substitute for having a good swing and practicing the right stuff. Inside was a TaylorMade wedge. Keep up the great work! You will get more than your money's worth, in my opinion. Someone else designed it, so theyre going to laser copy it, skip the R&D, use cheaper material, spend nothing on advertising the new design, and take money from a certain consumer segment. Tony believes that golfers deserve to know what's real and what's not, and that means MyGolfSpy's equipment coverage must extend beyond the so-called facts as dictated by the same companies that created them. I recently played golf without my set while visiting my brother. A counterfeiter tries to alter a companys protected features just enough to avoid prosecution. Im broke n in college so i wanted a cheap set of irons to get me started. The brand doesnt seem to make much difference in quality to me. Eliminating the human factor suggests we can hit a golf ball off the tee with precise consistency if we use the same club. All you did was test one club head pretty worthless really. Strong lofts with forgiving mishits and incredible feel. Why buy a clone when you can get very good used OEM or used component clubs from great firms like Wishon or KZG? Shop products from small business brands sold in Amazons store. Yes this is very good for golfers like me with slower swing speed. Think Maltby has brand recognition as they have been around much longer and Ralph Maltby club making/repair/fitting schools are well established. They swing quite heavy compared to most but I got used to them. But not the component club heads. Even the raw materials received were sometimes out of tolerance. GOLF MANUFACTURERS ANTI-COUNTERFEITING WORKING GROUP. I have no sympathy for these so called established companies, if they reduce their prices the clone companies will not be able to compete and make enough money to make it worth their while. And also just so you know OEMs have almost always tried to prevent foundries from doing clone products at the same foundriesbut it happens everyday. Ball Speed As you might expect, higher clubhead speed produces higher ball speed. .every year get fever,and build a new set of irons,..its a lot of joy, looking at sites,picking the pieces, then having them built just for me. Not driven only by what is legal, but what is right. The connections between CLones and Counterfeits have been made. I bought it and it was perfect. It states that Tom Wishon actually designed the first titanium driver head in the early ninetys way before any OEM had one on the market. I get great loft and distance. Pinhawks are a separate entity, and they are pretty good. Dave Tutelman preferred pinhawk heads over other single lengths due to their matching of Thank you for the update. I have been researching single length clubs again and I may just have to order a few Pinhawks to build/test. Sent from my Director) believes that most stock shafts are good enough for the average golfer. No one knows what they are. Take a look back at some of the old clubs and you will see theres nothing new. I have seen a few really bad knockoffs. Odyssey Putters; Clearance Golf Clubs Up to $180 Off TaylorMade Stealth Golf Clubs; PING G425 Golf Clubs; Shop All PING Golf Clubs; Super Game $229.99. Regripping We offer all of the grips offered by Golf Pride, Lamkin, Winn, and Super Stroke. I have a set of irons by Affinity. I have found lots of Maltby lovers on here. . GW: Dynacraft Dual Milled CNC 52*, Steelfiber 125 S; Scratch 8620 DS 53*, Steelfiber 125 S Learn how your comment data is processed. To say that a consumer has no responsibility is, well sad. After school he would make cold calls for his father, Ren-Jei (R.J.) Liou, asking pro shops and discount stores if they wanted to order from his line of clubs. Why else would a top tier golf ball cost up to $5 maybe advertising and exorbitant overheads? somebody earlier stated that no PGA professional would recomend to a student or anyone for that matter that they purchase copy/clone clubs. I suppose it may have been clever to put that in my first post. Im a 9 handicap and own a set of clone irons I bought from Diamond Tour last year, Taylormade Speedblade knock offs. I cant say Ive chased the next new thing, only last year did I move the a 460 driver, of course I had to build three. They are concentrating on Counterfeits and Copies, but again, Clones and Knock Offs are part of the same problem. Do a couple of irons too, test a 9, 7 and 5 iron from 4 or 5 different popular clones and their OEM twin. He mentioned they also had design input on the Pinhawk heads too. Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. Now woods I have a little different take. While the Burner produces a pleasant ting and outstanding feel at impact, the Heated was often described as clunky, almost heavy at impact. Personally, I think his sentence would be more accurate. Then to follow it up with the only diff is that the Major OEMs have more money to B.S. (first most important,.get an thoro golf fitiing from a pro- for what your going to build, the truth is out there! I play the Pursuit cavity back forged too. When i researched them i found they were clones of the Cobra King Cobra set. They make their own designs. And while I might argue that over the last couple of years theyve taken a small step backwards in those areas, they remain largely ahead of the curve. Yes, theyve followed the design pack for years cavity back, perimeter weighting, thinner faces, titanium drivers, carbon fiber crowns, etc. Oh and I like their hybrid and fairway wood models. i will give you this professionals point of view. (E.M. Sorry the average golfer is not able to drop $3-400 for a driver or fairway wood. Results I got tell me Im sticking with what I have for now. Many OEM designs came from the product offerings of these companies. If you cant afford the latest and greatest, do some research and find something that will work for you at a price you can afford. So, I could care less about design copy as I am the quality that goes into a club. It would be more honorable for a person to show up with RAMs purchased at Target than to use Knock-Offs/Clones. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Normally shot between 16 and 21 over on the courses I regularly play. I would like to see head to head comparisons of drivers, irons, hybrids, etc. Asfar as the lower end of components go, the only ones that really deserve the bad rap are the "clones". SWIFT) However: the result you provided does tell us that one club seems not twenty-five percent better to justify the cost difference, but as with a new suit, cost is a factor to most people some believing the lower cost buys the good-enough quality and some believe they deserve the best, and humans equate best with price. China cannot enforce without participation of the Patented/Trademark holder. I called Hireko and spoke to the guy who makes the videos (tech line). They just cannot afford it! all are factors in our normal tee shots. Great article! Because MyGolfSpy Labs doesnt put a score on things, rather than have our testers fill out our surveys, we simply had a discussion about the subjective aspects of our two drivers. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on Javascript in your browser. Unless its Oscar Peterson. Within minutes a graphics designer at Yarn-Way had downloaded the logo from the TaylorMade shaft onto a computer screen and was making minor design and color alterations to it. He fits everyone from Beginners to PGA Professionals and has worked alongside Legendary club makers such as Bob Vokey and Roger Cleveland. Re-shafted mine with Axe Xcaliber SL graphite. I choose to play them because I refuse paying the inflated prices to pad their advertising budgets and salesmans expense reports. Typically a driver head weighs around 195-200g, a 3 wood head is about 210g, and a 5 wood is around 220g, but the single length driver and fairway woods are all 220g. WebCobra KING TEC One Length Custom Utility Iron. If however, you place a premium on accuracy, though not as conclusive, there is some suggestion that the clone could be the more accurate of the two heads. According to Jeff Sheets (used to work for Golfsmith, wrote a couple of books) theres really no discernable difference between a .335 and .350 tip. I know Maltby designs their clubs but does Hireko design theirs? Are Acer and Pinhawk owned by Hireko? Roger Hatcher, PGA Lead Fitter, InstructorTitleist Master FitterRogers passion and knowledge of proper fitting are legendary in the DC Metro area. Im talking pure clones not Bang, Geek, Krank, etc. Where are you going to get something for that? Clones are a short cut. As far as irons are concerned, as long as the material used is of a certain quality Ive come to the conclusion that stamped metal is stamped metal. PssstWanna buy some clubs? Golf Digest 14 Jul 2003. For example it will look identical to the name brand model and even have the same name (ex: Taylormade R11 will be on both soles and look identical). He explained that they design the clubs from Acer and most of the brands in their website. A different animal than what the test was. No Research and Design Costs. I am searching for a component head company to do business with and could use some help. The uninformed, the newbie, the consumer who is jealous of the success of OEMs and their need to earn profits. Of course, if you want re-sell value probably by OEM. And I have the benefit of custom fitting and the best components. I have to say I am more impressed now to the point of considering buying some components to actually test them. Fast forward to now and Dynacraft is Hireko complete with Jeff Summit, a go to guru on club building and perfotmance that worked Dynacraft with Tom Wishon. Okay, you somewhat mixed it up. I have bought several other Hireko clubs and have been totally satisfied. An excerpt from Pssst . Upload or insert images from URL. The deal is, my bag cost what some people pay for a set of irons. In 1992 he designed the first interchangeable shaft driver head as well. Thats one of the most credible sources on golf equipment and the up-and-comer in the golf media (with THREE other sources) that shoots down your claim. Dont lump everyone into a category. I agree with some other posts. Our team of expert fitters fits more than 500 delighted customers a year!Our staff of skilled club fitters is passionate about providing the highest level of customer service. You can do lab tests forever, but if a club does not feel right for your swing, it doesnt matter how it did in tests. QUALITY!! When it came to heads Golfworks was the best. Had to get a hybrid custom built cos the Affinity hybrids swing weight was indifferent to the irons. Complete junk notwithstanding its all about your swing. I am now ordering today,shafts, grips and epoxy plus a three wood rescue club from them. Don't know if one is better than the other, both are good . The clubs were built with FST 90 regular tip trimmed shafts for a 6 iron. As a mechanic, Ive been building my own clubs for the past 26 years, and yes I have quite an inventory. Knock-Offs operates under the same principle. No U.S. assembly. Counterfeit/Copy Golf Clubs: Are direct copies of OEM equipment. All those statements do is hurt the component biz. TaylorMade Stealth DHY Custom Utility Iron. So, in the end, I would never buy a clone wood, but have no problem playing clone irons and my preference for those has become GigaGolf as Ive found their quality quite good. Of course, that has to be with an * because of of all the stuff I mentioned earlier. Just a quick note to say i recently decided to take up golf. All of the testers agreed that in terms of sound and feel, the clone is miles behind the real deal. Bigger golf companies have more money to spend on the details, and while ultimately those details many not directly impact performance, I can tell you with certainty that given two clubs with similar performance attributes, the prettier one will always sell bettereven if its more expensive. No wonder the golfing consumer doesnt take the component head biz seriously.when I read this type of stuff..I am bewildered. Example, a set i built last year,.winn tac mac grips(the best)DTs smoke shaft,(as good as a 30dollar shaft)black& silver ferrells, and DTs cavityback blade heads in smoke/black color, (really sharp) with all 4 Diamond Tours wedges,.and 2 matching hybrids(#2,#3) with head covers,..BUILT for ME, (short man), so set was shortened cut,shafts spline alin, lie angle changed 2 degrees flat, loft angle adjusted, all assembly,packed, shipped to my door,..for I think it was around $ 450 +/- ! Prior to that acquisition, Dynacraft were one of the Big Three component companies, along with Golfsmith and GolfWorks, and werein Ohio. It may still happen, but it is less and less. Ill start off by saying I have both OEM and clone clubs in my bag (I have the new Taylor Made R1 driver which I love that just replaced my old Taylor Made R7 and Ping 3 hybrid, and some older Ping woods). I have seen a few really bad Adams, Callaway, Cobra, Nike, and Ping clubs. SWIFT) Determination of trademark infringement is tough to prove and costly. GigaGolf offers True Temper shafts as their standard shaft and you can upgrade to different shafts and grips of your choosing. My perception of what I see around me is that golfers fall into two categories. Having never played before i cant say too much but my mates whove played for years were impressed after trying them out. Have you ever tried hitting a quality clone? Lets not forget the Titleist Speeder shaft which is a Graffalloy Pro Custom, ($20) shaft or Calloways sourcing their shafts from several manufactures with only the barest of specs. On average the apex of each shot was justslightlyunder 2.5 yards higher with the Burner, which along with higher ball and club head speeds explains the difference in carry yardage between the clubs.
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