Please do not include personal or contact information. Mar 1, 2017 - All the latest news and updates of New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board's Message Board. Still, sightings are common. At least once a year thered be a story from somewhere, but I only ran the absolute best, he told me. So what those ranges. Peter Biello: Well yeah. Sue Morse: The big cat really commands the utmost respect not so much fear but fascination. The catamount is a creature of stealth and concealment; it stalks its prey, which on the EasternSeaboard would likely be deer, moose, porcupines, beavers, and domestic livestock. N.H.'s Fish and Game department says there's no proof. Yeah I did. Im gonna get hammered for it, he sighed. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. Peter Biello: And that will make identification for a layperson rather difficult. You treat it as if it's a sincere situation. bobcat in new england article-By katchaya May 23, 2017 at 06:22:02 AM. We'd love to have you in the queue. I noticed it had a really big sweeping tail that kind of curled up behind it and all but still at that point because everyone says there's no mountain lions here. And its not just Vermont. October 24, 2010. in News World. But other hard evidence of the big cats presence is elusive. John Holt's ideas were at first dismissed but he refused to be silent. His mention of these encounters was so matter-of-fact that I found myself nodding along. They sent he sent his scent those two samples with his to Wyoming an unfortunate Fish and Game Commission there did not get a positive read on it but send it back to Central Michigan University where they did a nuclear micro satellite DNA analysis and found no significant difference between that scat and other scats that were tested from the Rocky Mountain region. It lowers the population in a way thats not going to affect the long-term population. Abbott acknowledged that mountain lions out west have huge ranges. And I have to use that word allegedly because there is so much dispute about what people see and what they actually see. So that did it for me. All other reports of mountain lions in Massachusetts have turned out to be other animals. But no. But along the lines of the conspiracy theories as you mentioned earlier there there was a bit of a sense on behalf of what I'll call the promo online community who felt that fishing gain maybe not even so much in a spoken policy but maybe sort of an unspoken policy did not want to find themselves in a situation where they had to spend money to create a management plan and so forth. But but I've also seen it cited the opposite way that look they're very secretive. Caller: Hey guys how you doing. If you dont think cougars are coming to the East, think again, she said, leaning forward for emphasis. And so a mountain lion is actually quite large right. So so in 2011 a mountain lion was killed in a car accident in Connecticut a car hit a mountain lion and killed it. I have no choice but to take this seriously, he told me. If these people say they saw something, Im going to listen., If theres one thing people on all sides of the debate can agree on, its that a breeding population of cougars is essential to the overall health of New Englands ecosystems, which currently lack an apex predator. Have a photo. Peter Biello: When did you allegedly see a mountain lion. And still the the folks there did weren't able to come up with it with 100 percent certainty what deposited that scat. Women control our lives. So I did a bunch of research and all the documentation I found was there art are not any pieces of DNA of Eastern online. So what a neat experience. And listeners this has been a lively conversation we're sorry we didn't get to all the the e-mailed comments and the phone calls your stories are appreciated even if we didn't get a chance to hear them today. So I think the point that I just want to get across is that there is a very strong sense this here in the and not region that there is that there is some sort of mountain lion population how large it is how extensive it is. It's conceivable, he said, that like the 2011 mountain lion, which took a two-year journey to Connecticut from South Dakota, others might occasionally turn up here. There are an estimated 3,000 - 7,000 Mountain lions in Colorado. An adult male bobcat can reach four feet in length and 35-40 pounds. Mass.gov is a registered service mark of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts. You need you need either a really good photograph or you need you know fresh scat that can be sent to a lab out West that can they can be identified there. Like Tate, he gets a lot of photos and . And consider, for a moment, the concern and outright fear an official acknowledgment of such a carnivorous and predatory creature might evoke. This is the exchange. And so when they come to him with a sighting, hes prepared to believe. But its also a great story that lays out how an animal this large, at 150 pounds, traveling through even rural areas, leaves signs and is detected. I just don't understand the mechanism for how that would happen. You know I'm like seriously I can't get a picture of the thing but what it what it is. In 2011, the U.S. There were caribou antlers mounted above the front doors, and the interior walls were covered in row upon row of books; a long table was piled high with still more books in seemingly random arrangements. Now Bobcat is a completely different species. He said matter of fact I do. Fish and Wildlife Service unofficially declared the Eastern cougar extinct. and territorial animals are much more inclined to create a problem with passer bys than dispersing animals in fact I'd be totally shocked if a dispersal would encounter with a human purposefully unless they had already had some type of training to do so. Information online ad an age student loans dawg. The American Lion The Saber tooth Tiger and this was the one that survived. If you have them email exchange at an HP board or give us a call to tell us your story. Pat do they typically just move around a lot. Less than a year later I found a scat on the swamp range and I was working at the time with a fellow at the Michigan wildlife habitat Federation. How to Report a Possible Mountain Lion Sighting. I didn't realize mullein was an invasive even though I have it popping up in strange placesin my yard every year. The key to Morses assertion can be found in the term breeding population. Although the fact that cougars have traveled through New England is irrefutable (a DNA-confirmed roadkill is hard to deny), Morse believes its unlikely that they have settled here and created a self-sustaining population. Is there a way we can learn more about these dispersing mountain lions that may travel through the Granite State and that I would ask you certainly part about whether or not a he's spending too much time chasing down these kind of false leads or B would rather be doing something else that is more informative to whether or not we actually have or can prove that we have dispersing mountain lions in the state. There are always rumors about what state fish and wildlife agencies in the eastern United States know about mountain lions. Really appreciate you guys being here as well. Ive seen more field evidence in a couple of hours tracking out west than Ive seen in 100 years on the East Coast, he said. So so they're just a very resilient species and they're pretty they're pretty neat. Absolutely there are a lot of folks out there who for some reason need to create something that raises a stir and gets the attention of the media etc.. John you're on the air. But people in the region are posting like crazy online to the New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin. This mountain lion was documented by DNA samples from Minnesota and Wisconsin between December 2009 and early 2010. 3. Rick your thoughts. Oh you saw him online. Let's talk to Bob in Laconia Bob. Most mountain lion sightings are reported without any evidence other than eyewitness descriptions. I saw that had this giant the bobcat had this giant sweeping which is John Bobcat don't have big sweeping tails. Thanks also to Rick van de Poll naturalist and founder of ecosystem management consultants of New England and Sam Evans Brown host of an HP podcast outside in about the natural world and how we use it. On the idea of bear hunting in Connecticut. The big cat has been extinct here since the mid-1800s. Morse founded Keeping Track in the belief that getting citizens interested and engaged in wildlife will have the knock-on effect of getting them interested and engaged in how land-use decisions affect wild populationsand might provide the impetus for conservation efforts. Thanks for taking my call. People have asked me about the genetics of eastern mountain lion. Thanks for calling. Put bluntly, Morse does not believe that New England is home to cougars. Because they are.. He knew it was only a matter of time. And those and that's how you can go from a story that Pat says I have nothing to say about that to a story that you know could be the first verified sighting in over 100 years. Peter Biello: Yeah some of what she was saying sounds like it would require getting pretty close or at least having a nice zoom lens right Sam like. Are there mountain lions in Massachusetts. This is a machine-generated transcript, and may contain errors. Right. Peter Biello: And Carl before you continue I think Patrick Tate just give me a second. You might think that it would be easy to tell the two cat species apart. Here's why reports are so tough to prove mass.gov/doc/mountain-lions-in-massachusetts-distinguishing-fiction-from-the-facts/download, There are 69 invasive plant species in Massachusetts. In April 1997, experienced tracker John McCarter found scat near a beaver carcass at the Quabbin Reservation. Yet I also remembered something Sue Morse had told me months before, as we sat in her living room drinking beer and chatting cats. Sam Evans-Brown: Pretty well I was going to say it is nice to hear about how to identify the facial markings but probably I'd being a to identify the tracks is probably the more useful useful tool that one can have in their tool box. Pat humans people leave deer carcasses up in trees. Please let us know how we can improve this page. For all the men out there that don't realize it. Wildlife experts say no. By now, I knew the answer to that one. Have there been others reporting this big cat recently? It's not a skinny rope like tail like a housecat. I looked at the picture and asked me what do you see in the picture and I wrote back. They just end up in these places. Have you seen one. And that the Florida panther was more closely related to the eastern outline than the western mountain lion was. Kim Royar, a biologist at the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department, told me she receives 40 to 50 reports annually, and although she believes that few, if any, are actual cougar sightings, she doesnt dismiss the possibility that someday someone will happen upon the real deal. Mike thanks for your call. Much as I liked Ottmann and Betty, and much as I found some of their evidence compelling, I was struggling to reconcile their more provocative claims with the restraint expressed by the many other experts Id spoken with. Sighting: An animal is seen by the public and is . There were caribou antlers mounted above the front doors, and the interior walls were covered in row upon row of books; a long table was piled high with still more books in seemingly random arrangements. Re(1): ANOTHER female disperser in addition to the one BELOW! And so I just wanted to share my share my experience with you guys and it was pretty awesome to see if you get to see one albeit it was in the brush. Yes and you want to share what you learned. but won big 2night. And it was this curiosity that led me to the Old Well Tavern in Simsbury, Connecticut, at a time of day (11:30 a.m.) that does not normally find me ensconced in the dim confines of a drinking establishment. Evidence considered could include "the body of a dead mountain lion or a live wild-captured animal; photos or video, in which a mountain lion can be identified and MassWildlife can confirm the location; DNA evidence from hair, scat, etc. Morse has been tracking cougars for 45 years, mostly in the mountains of the West, where their existence is not in doubt. A NatureWatch reader asks if a big cat they saw during a recent walk on October Mountain could be a mountain lion, like the one seen in this image from Pixabay. To date, Keeping Track has helped conserve 40,000 acres in 12 states and inQuebec. County road and all of a sudden a big cat jumps out of the woods over a stone wall stood in the middle of the dirt road as I rode towards it. The tails gotta be there. There'd be there'd be all sorts of you know basically a lot of hassle required if that were to happen. Most of the reports I would not consider; a few from experienced hunters and outdoor people were hard to discount, although none of them had photographic proof or any footprints or scratch markings except for one naturalist that I have known for years. He wore red suspenders and a baseball cap. In 1994, scat collected after a sighting in Craftsbury, Vermont, was found to contain cougar hair (the animals are prone to ingesting their hair while grooming), and the commissioner of the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department circulated a memo with the following line: Harrigans interest in cougars was sparked in the late 70s, after he took ownership of, Perhaps, then, the ultimate question isnt whether cougars are among us, but rather how we can encourage them to settle here, After 20 minutes or so, we turned and stumbled our way back to the parking lot. Alleged Athol MA picture - By weather01089 September 8, 2016 at 12:35:45 PM. Some of the reports that I looked into that were actually on file at the local fish and game office were even from people who did not live locally. But if you do if you think you're looking at a wild Puma their tail is very thick and especially in the winter is very thick and ponderous looking. OK. They reported seeing the big tail and everything everything. Shop. The big cat has been extinct at least the eastern mountain lion has been extinct here since the mid 80s hundreds. ml central ma. So this whole illegal pet trade black market pro trade thing does does exist in a situation like that can happen. And yet there I was, on a Saturday in early November, crammed into a booth with Bo Ottmann, 48, and Bill Betty, 72, of Cougars of the Valley, the organization that Ottmann founded in 2007 to gather evidence of and alert the public to the big cats living among us. Sam Evans Brown. So try to take photographs if you see something like this. A harvest is kind of twofold. The term is because mascots notwithstanding right that they're referred to with a lot of different terms and sometimes they can be confused with a lot of different terms. The deadline for fuel assistance applications is Sunday, but most state emergency funds are still unspent. Big cats used to be kept as pets in the U.K . But right now youre dealing with top-notch guys. Patrick Tate: I've had hunters hang deer carcasses forbidding wildlife entries. If we end up with a population, it will be the result of a colonizer female who gets here somehow, some way, and the rest will be history.. We'll hear more about the mountain lions impact and the role it plays in the ecosystem. It was a flooded area. Peter Biello: This is the exchange on an HP yard today we're talking about the mysterious elusive majestic Mystic Mountain Lion. It's one piece that he wrote, that I have used in discussing the possibility of hard-to-believe sightings and I quote, People are always hopeful that what they have seen is something unusual, rather than just common and mundane.. Its a cool story with how far that animal walked. He soon developed a five-question litmus test: How far away were you? We're not in the woods. These young males are tracking looking for mates and if they don't find a mate they just keep moving and moving and moving. We know that the closest established breeding population is in either the Everglades of Florida theres a small population down there and then out in South Dakota and Nebraska. Three females confirmed well ahead of predictioins, Re(1): Major news! These highlights have been edited and condensed for length and clarity. But one day. And so we come to the great divide over cougars in New England. It was not a bobcat. Its documented through track surveys, aerial surveys, trapping and collaring surveys. Sunny today high temperatures low to mid 80s it'll be clear tonight overnight lows in the 50s for tomorrow sunshine with high temperatures mid to upper 80s. If so that's for us as an agency. 8 9 2 6 4 7 7. I mean I that said I've lived out west for nine years. contact the Division of Fisheries and Wildlife. It's listed as population of least concern. I would just suggest that in my experience as a reporter covering this covering this issue for a few years at least at what point do we reach a certain critical mass for lack of a better term of accounts where I'm not to suggest that you guys aren't taking this possibility seriously. Peter Biello: But clearly you know you're saying like hoaxes people who claim to have seen a mountain lion but knowingly have not or are appropriating photos taken elsewhere of legit mountain lion say out West where they people acknowledge that they exist certainly knowingly or unknowingly in this case the person who sent it to me said hey a friend of mine sent me this photo and said he took it on his back porch also. Mountain lions remain an enigmatic animal for residents of New Hampshire, with New Hampshire Fish and Game reporting three to five sightings per week. These are the slides, included in a slide show on mountain lion sightings in New Hampshire. It continues in Connecticut, where that South Dakota cat was killed in 2011, and in Massachusetts, despite two credible reports in the past quarter century (in one case, DNA-confirmed scat; in the other, verified tracks). Finally, in the third camp, there are the true believersthe cougar truthers, if you willthe men and women for whom the only logical conclusion (often reached after a significant investment of time, thought, and sometimes money) is that right here, right now, cougars live among us, feeding and breeding and rearing their young, and that suggesting otherwise is sheer ignorance, willful denial, or part of a mosaic of conspiracy. And trying to figure out the little pieces to identify him so I bring up the names the differences but the appearances can be confusing for some. And as the biologist who's gonna stand on this and if I'm going to say this is a proven picture I need to be able to stand on it so soundly and have the evidence so I going to go through it with a fine tooth comb kept picking pieces apart trying to answer these pieces. So I've been convinced the whole time that I saw a big cougar plume or whatever you want to call it standing there in the road in Greenfield. Peter Biello: So Patrick today Fish and Game no downward pressure on you to deny the existence at all costs of mountain lions here in New Hampshire. Patrick's reporting has appeared on NPR's Morning Edition, Here & Now, and All Things Considered. ghost, Re(2): didnt win the pwrball. And just one more note about this danger question when even when you look at the states that have extended populations stable populations of mountain lions attacks are relatively rare. Hawley: That animal was documented. Both labs confirmed the sample came from a mountain lion. Sam Evans-Brown: What he would have stopped as well I think is way way that the reason that mountain lion kept moving is because he wasn't finding anybody. As livestock farming came to dominate the landscape, pressure on the big cats slowly mounted on two fronts: The number of farmers wanting them dead was increasing, while the rapid transition from forest to farmland meant their habitat was shrinking. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. I have one that's more elaborate than that. Or years or so. Sam Evans-Brown: And second the evidence required is is you know pretty pretty tough to gather. Mountain lions weigh . It used to be that a bear would go into a house when someone wasnt home. Yet this young male traveled about 1,800 miles. I've seen him in the woods and that was not a bobcat but I was looking at. Thank you very much for that story really appreciate it. Have it reported down in the Keene area. Peter Biello: Hmm. So I know it's another unconfirmed report but you string enough of these together. NHPR is nonprofit and independent. But I was riding a mountain bike not far from my house. From came from out west they tracked it all the way back to the Black Hills in the Dakotas. New England Mountain Lion Sighting Bulletin Board, Re(1): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, Re(2): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, Re(3): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, Re(4): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, Re(5): Mountain Lion sighting in Brookfield ct, didnt win the pwrball. In the 37 years Ive been working, things have changed in ways Id never have predicted. Both cases meet the evidence requirements of MassWildlife. Peter Biello: We at this e-mailed comment from Michael. At 6:20 on the morning of Aug. 20, Cheri Mazerall had just let her cat out the back door when she saw what she describes as a "beautiful, large beige/yellow" animal with "large feet and a long tail" come over her . I wasn't employed as biologists at the time of a situation that's been reported but so I started digging into this report and spoke with another wildlife biologist with the agency and said Do you know anything about this. Its closest living relative is the cheetah. Mountain lions when they show up they leave evidence. On another large animal that is most definitely here: bears. It's bigger but bigger and better world. was declared extinct in 2011. ghost, Re(1): didnt win the pwrball. Before I departed the Old Well Tavern, Bo Ottmann offered to lead me on a walk into an adjacent stretch of woods, where, he assured me, cougars might be found. Hawley:Were sort of stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. And even the home entries are kind of changing. ), or someones coworkers mother had seen one from the back porch of a summer camp back in 07 or maybe 08, and shed tried to get a picture but this was before she got her first iPhone, and by the time shed retrieved her camera from the living room, the cat was long gone. Nowadays, many reports include photographic evidence, thanks to camera phones and trail cameras.
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