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WebWNYC is America's most listened-to public radio station and the producer of award-winning programs and podcasts like Radiolab, On the Media, and The Brian Lehrer Show. For instance, add up as picking the lafayette of the nostrils of the baby birds and what we're starting to see is that they're beginning to consume them. But at the time the immediate question was, are there any more because if they could find a female for George, then they could, you know, maybe de extinct the species. Oh yeah. Hey, radio lab listeners, Here's a message from our partner, IBM. Just wandering by. No Bocelli the incumbent one. Just going to meet you at the airport. I like to think of it as a kind of Darwin finch. Let's just take some tortoises from a nearby island and put them back on Penta. But there's a much bigger question here that that goes way beyond globally, which is basically like what is the right way to protect nature now? The water then drips down from the top of the trees down to the ground, creating what we call drip pools, which provides tortoises with water during the dry season and they like to rest in water. A given episode You just grabbed it just like that. We've done so much on the show since last summer. But eventually nature is going to take over and they will evolve into into tortoises. They blockaded roads. They've got to limit their catch. The boys. I'm actually walking down Charles Darwin Avenue just kinda getting the lay of the land when all of a sudden this line of cars comes around the corner honking, endless honking and waving flags, blue flags. And so the best way you can help us is to become an annual member of the lab and you can do that right now, go to radio lab dot org slash join and if you join as an annual member before june 30th at midnight, you will get two months free using the code summer. That's. So you're saying that that that the call, let's go back to when it was good. Oh my God. Yeah, it's P. H. I L. I can't spell out loud Phil or L. O. R. N. I. S. D. O. W. N. S. I. Filan is actually means bird loving. We are dedicating a whole hour to the Galapagos archipelago, the place that inspired Darwins theory of evolution and natural selection. It was very confusing. You know, like nature in its purest form. Boxid. They were having a meeting about this that's conservationist, josh Donlan. How far are we willing to go to stop that from happening? It's white and it's really loud. For transcripts, see individual segment pages. I just came in second. In the mid nineties we started in 94 Gisella and some folks from the Galapagos national park, they began taking a census of all the tortoises in the Galapagos. Test the outer edges of what you think you know, Radiolab is supported by listeners like you. My name is, he's an ornithologist from the University of Vienna. They throw a few extra tortoises overboard. But here's the problem. Our staff includes Simon Adler, jeremy bloom becca Bressler, Rachel, Cusick, w. Harry for tuna, david gable Maria paz gutierrez, Sindhu unison bend um matt Kielty anne McEwen Alex Neeson sarah, carry on a rescue it pas sarah sand back. James says they kept going back combing the island with highly trained toward of sniffing dogs. This is Augustine Lopez's longtime fisherman. Nearly 200 years later, the Galpagos are undergoing rapid changes that continue to pose and perhaps answer critical questions about the fragility and Well these are very purist sort of visions. That was a big problem for dire into power and then the islands come into sight. This is carl Campbell. I'm surrounded by shelves and on the shelves are these tiny little plastic cups that are filled with flies. They were a little bit different depending on which island the finches lived on with the beaks. WebWe are dedicating a whole hour to the Galapagos archipelago, the place that inspired Darwins theory of evolution and natural selection. Um and eventually you start um you know fondling their their legs and tails and hoping to get them to ejaculate and had a volunteer working with me, her name was favorite bridge oni. And really what that guy was specifically saying was don't be precious. Dylan keith is our Director of sound design. I call it the phoenix blodgett. We know it doesn't make a lot of sense, but our show is listener funded and we need your help. Right? I was running as it turns out he speaks some english. This tiny little dead finch in this box, wow! The nostrils have have big holes, something had gotten inside this little finches, nostrils drilled these holes And it was now eating the flesh on the inside of the bird's nostrils. Not know how would that happen. We want to hit the ground running as we go into the next year and you've heard of the lab, we've been talking about it, we've been so excited about it. Radio lab is supported by the john Templeton Foundation Funding research and catalyzing conversations that inspire people with awe and wonder learn about the latest discoveries in the science of well being, complexity, forgiveness and free will at Templeton dot org, As our co-Hosts Lulu Miller and Latif Nasser are out this week, we are re-sharing the perfect episode to start the summer season! And song samples made some recordings, brought all this stuff into the lab analyzed the genetic samples and had this terrible realization that the large tree finches now extinct, totally gone from the island. Listen, wherever you get your podcasts, I'm john, I'm robert Krulwich, this is Radio lab today, a whole hour on the Galapagos islands. Sutherland was the engineer pilot and a sharp shooter 2004, 3 to 2000 and six. Listen 18 min The Political Scene | The New Yorker Corpse Demon Yes. Our main story is the haunting tale of a chimp named Lucy. On the other hand, you had all of these goats that didn't choose to be on the island. You can like see him pulsing, breathing. You can buy it at home depot but there it is in the Galapagos and along this path just looking to the right and the left and then she just starts counting the number of invasive species at 1234 as you can see here, it's only right next to the trail but not so much for them. silly. WebTranscripts and recorded audio may be available for many of the programs you hear on WNYC. They'll actually go into caves. We had episodes fully translated into american sign language with transcripts in braille. She says, you have islands with massive volcanoes and forests, tree ferns that grow, you know, well above a human sight. Hosted by Latif Nasser and So they lash out, they marched down Charles Darwin avenue, they would come down the street throwing rocks and sticks and everything. But then at a certain point I noticed this one guy by himself standing on the sidewalk wearing a white shirt and jeans, he's waving a flag, but his flag is a different color. So for starters they put up all these traps. We're God, we might as well get good at it and we're going to have to create these ecosystems based on our best science. It wouldn't notice that you were there. To what cause was the demise of the Pinta tortoises attributed? Yeah, I carried your oxygen and you walked beside me through the lobby commenting on the decor. Can I get you to introduce yourself? So I think there's been a change. We talk about going from weeks to hours, two minutes, two seconds at its core artificial intelligence for me has always been about decision support. Then when I showed up after a few years again I was truly even more perplexed. It feeds on flowers and we think decomposing fruits, baby flies, they're not vegetarians, they will, you know, blood. Here's the backstory. Science programming is provided by the Gordon and Betty moore Foundation Science sandbox assignment Foundation initiative and the john Templeton Foundation Foundational support for Radio Lab was provided by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation. These are such alien looking creatures. So they choose not to breed. Bonobos. The warbler finch is the smallest of the Darwin's finches. And so what they decided to do is leave the judas, goats on various islands where they can live out their sterilized days chomping on grass, sharing war stories until such time as it might be needed again, is the, is the war between the greens and the and the fishermen and such, is that still hot and difficult And are they still no killing tortoises and they're not the fishermen. She says if we keep doing that, taking the babies with the most painted DNA, breeding them together slowly. Going back. I wanted to borrow someone's gun. Normally a female goat would be in heat for maybe a couple of days. Things might not be silly. Created in 2002, Radiolab began as an exploration of science, philosophy, and I don't know I'm not sure many other people think about that. R. i. This is Radio Lab, and today elements. Also, thanks to Dylan keef original music. And you could argue we're gonna have to get a whole lot better at making some very, very difficult decisions. On the one hand, the tortoises needed help. And this brings us to our second school of thought, which in its most extreme version goes something like this. You've got. And these hybrid finches, are they doing better against flies? No, but it just seems so unrealistic, right? There is music under the breaks. And what happens is that as soon as birds start laying eggs, mother flies swoop in and lay their eggs on the base of the nest underneath the finch eggs. But then along come the flies and all of a sudden like over maybe 20 years, these medium tree finch is they start to break their own biggest rule and they start to make outside of their own kind. I'm Jad Abumrad. We just told you a story about how far humans are willing to go to protect something. I really do because it has the potential to be incredibly anti basis from W. N. Y. C. Studios and the bell. So thank you very much for the interview. She took a trip to this island called Isabella, hiked up the side of a volcano and looked at all the tortoise country and it was an Impenetrable forest, basically tortoise heaven. He's also a well known musician in Galapagos turns out thanks to the Galapagos national park Charles Darwin Foundation Island conservation and the Galapagos Conservancy. This one, which first aired in 2014, tells the strange story of a small group of islands that keeps us wondering: will our m. Hello? Listen to keeping score a special series on the United States of anxiety wherever you get, listener supported W. N. Y. C. Studios way listening to radio. 179 years later, the Galapagos are undergoing rapid changes that continue to pose -- and possibly answer -- critical questions about the fragility and resilience of life on Earth. And wherever they went, they would lure those male goats out of their caves so that, you know, all in all over the course of this two year program, we had hundreds of judas goats out and using those goats, they were able to go from 94% goat free to 96 to 97 to 98. We have at least five species that are known to be facing extinction and another six in serious decline. It's kind of late, the sun is just starting to set. And we all agreed because the calls are really distinct, easy to tell apart. But the fact is, there's only so much you can do. Scientists had to find clever ways to help the turtles on the island! Are these finches disappearing very fast, Very slowly, depends on the species. He like points at the cars in front and behind as if like dude, seriously, you see how many of us there are. And how far are we willing to go to return a place to what it was before we got there. They were going to do this big population studies. Radio lab is supported by Teladoc. Now linda says in the end you don't actually need to do the full aggressive four generation breeding thing. I'm Robert Krulwich. At first nobody had any idea what kind of creature it was. But then the national Park comes in same group that's doing the goat eradication And they tell the fishermen they're overfishing the sea cucumber. WebRADIOLAB Galapagos Aired in 2014, this episode describes some of the challenges faced by the Galapagos islands to protect their local species. Shopify powers millions of entrepreneurs from first sale to full scale every 28 seconds. They kept them around. WNYC's Radiolab series tackles just five topics each season. This is the villain. Sony says each time she go into the field the song sounded like they were starting to blur together. Yeah, the results of this were absolutely impressive. There was no shade, tortoises were sitting out in the sun or crowded around a couple of stalks that were still there. 2012-10-10 06:29:29. Oh for sure. My name is Gisele. You know, Galapagos was really isolated, barely any cars. Nearly 200 years later, the Galpagos are undergoing rapid changes that continue to pose and perhaps answer critical questions about the fragility and resilience of life on Earth. Yeah. It's like a soprano saxophone and alto and a 10 or something like that. This is a field of four. But that's four generations of tortoises, not rats. As our co-Hosts Lulu Miller and Latif Nasser are out this week, we are re-sharing So linda when she first went to Galapagos to study these tortoises about 30 years ago I did a trip where we backpacked around the caldera. But here's what they do know. Transcript. Radiolab - Galapagos | The Best Podcasts, As Chosen By You earbud.fm by NPR Radiolab Galapagos "I love the Galapagos episode. So here's the story, Goats were originally brought to the Galapagos probably by pirates and whalers back in the 1500s. The show is nationally syndicated This is radio lab, we'll be back with producer Tim Howard and this hour on Galapagos. We are ascending and we have our dreams. So what if we took those tortoises and read them together, select them for the next generation. She sees a small group of birds who have mixed up jeans hybrid cluster some genes from the small tree finches and some from the medium tree finch is what does that mean? Exactly. So you really only had two species left. Do you remember the song types? I'm just I'm robert Krulwich, this is radio lab in this hour. They don't know the exact date. They tagged, we collected genetic samples, got some D. N. A. Look at this species here, Small levi, green thing they call it Huntin in spanish, it is in its plan ta go, I think in the U. S. They call it, Was it the wrench of the white man? We are dedicating a whole hour to the Galapagos archipelago, the place that inspired Darwins theory of evolution and natural selection. I worked for island conservation and I'm based here in the Galapagos islands carl's actually the guy who showed me those tortoises, it was just a, it was a barren landscape, barren, barren grounds. WebRadiolab live "Apocalyptical" In the fall of 2013, Radiolab toured North America with an ambitious multimedia live show called "Apocalyptical." One I particularly love is Radiolab, the NPR mix of nerdy science and audio bombast. Earlier this summer, its gregarious hosts Jad Abumrad and Robert Krulwich produced an episode entirely on the Galapagos Islands. We all know the Galapagoss role as a laboratory of evolution. And as he went island to island, he started noticing that there were all these creatures that were really similar to each other but also a little bit different. That sally dream is she's an environmental Law professor at the Berkeley School of Law in California? I'm the restoration Ecologist at the Charles Darwin foundation. Now judas goat is a good judas goat until it gets pregnant because then it doesn't want to be social anymore. This is radio lab and we are dedicating the entire hour to this little set of islands and to that question as the world is filling up with more and more and more people, Is it inevitable that even the most sacred pristine places on the planet will eventually get swallowed up? It's relatively easy to remove 90% of a goat population from an island. Almost every day during that time fraser would fly over Isabela island, two guys with two shooters either side of the helicopter, what you do is so you come across and you're flying along and you might see one goat says you follow that goat as it ran away until it joined its friends. Plus with 24/7 support, you're never alone. The other three of money behind them and you see their flags all over santa cruz. The tough question now is if we concede that we can't any longer save all the species, then does that put us in the situation of having to decide which ones will save and which ones we won't, And do we have any basis for making those kinds of decisions? There's thousands of islands around the world that have goats on them. Even if they could for who knows maybe a million years. It's called Penta. TRT: 59:00 *Breaks: Two 1:00 minute breaks. That's very similar to what I was picturing, But we land, we take the 40 minute bus drive, which turns out to be kind of a big town, tons of people live there like a fishing village, tons, no, it's way bigger than a fishing village and just let me say that my first hours in Galapagos were totally different than I was expecting. So I took the plane from Kyoto. She showed me her lab. Yeah, judas codes. For the medium is a check for the large Chee Chee wow. James says a lot of tortoises. The natural skied from the first chapter Who wrote this song, Peak Open Zone. Episode Credits:Reported and produced byTim Howard. And this is what I think is really. They're also seeing baby finches climbing up over each other just struggling to get away from the larva on the bottom of the nest and then they'll even start standing on the nest rim just to avoid being eaten. You should actually get better with experience. So if you can better automate that and leverage intelligence to make sense. (727) 210-2350. www.caahep.org. Right? Okay, so quick context, Galapagos Islands, cluster of islands way off the coast of Ecuador in the Pacific 19 bigger islands, bunch of smaller ones. See? And just how far are we willing to go to stop that from happening? These five species, does that mean that they may go extinct in the next five years in the next 50 years? That's right. So they poked around in the areas where we got the one and I found a shell of a female, how had this female toward has died? You know, it might be like the planes just covered with buffalo or maybe the Serengeti desert with Lines and elephants. Hmm. WebRadiolab Episode Memory and Forgetting Contributing Organization WNYC (New York, New York) AAPB ID cpb-aacip/80-80vq8sgb If you have more information about this item than what is given here, or if you have concerns about this record, we want to know! What's that? You had plants re emerging, you had trees growing back and in a really short period of time. That was definitely not what I thought you were gonna say. They're just basically the lawnmowers. you're radically remaking the world. But in the end there's just George that then shifted the focus on now what do we do? And I remember asking one guy, they're driving so slow, I can just walk up to them. Well they needed the goats because well yeah, there was a problem of people Because during the 90's these demonstrations started to happen, demonstrations of outrage, violent activity, constant conflict to explain. You know, we assume that it was carbon dioxide carbon dioxide from the breathing. And shortly after we walked up, he reached out into this tree and he grabbed this tiny little baby finch right off the branch. Yeah. Wow, that is freaking amazing, describe them. I'm gon kill the person. It would look almost the same but much shorter. It would possibly be one of the first vertebrate examples of speciation in real time that we can observe. Alan Alda on the new yorker radio hour from W N. Y. What you do is you sit at the back of the tortoise and first you have to get to where they'll allow you to touch them. Radio Lab was created by Jack Brabham Rod and is edited by soren wheeler lulu. All lower case for a free 14 day. That's Shopify dot com slash radio lab. But then she sees something amazing in that genetic data. Is this the way that everybody who works on the tortoises thinks about it this kind of deep time. Um, so it's like you have you have a couple of shrew like creatures walking around. Super limited electricity. We will stay tuned. Today, the strange story of a small group of islands that raise a big question: is it inevitable that even our most sacred natural landscapes will eventually get swallowed up by humans? He just kind of points. Yeah. And so in 1994 we had what we called the tortoise summit in England and that was where we started the discussions about what are we going to do, experts came from all over the world linda says we want to get rid of the goats and many of them thought we were nuts and that it was impossible. That's cool. We celebrated our 20th anniversary. Oh yes. They got all the goats, not all the goats mean those judas, goats. You know, they, they plow down vegetation disperse seeds, but for centuries they've been hunted by those whalers and in about 1906 The Penta Tortoise went extinct 1906, a little over 100 years ago. In the meantime the vegetation on Pinta is growing out of control from an ecological point of view pinter can't wait. They would crush you to death. Everyone held out hopes for just finding more tortoises back. All I remember is having a smile on my face all the time because you know, as a biologist going to Galapagos is like going to mecca. What's that? It is about enabling the key actors, the bridge engineer to do their work more effectively more efficiently. People are right now throwing beers at each other around what is the right strategy josh says that there are basically two camps right now on the one side, you've got this classic like what you might call Eden approach conservation Biology. I began my work in Galapagos in 1981. So they called around offered huge cash rewards. But as they become rare and rare, they're harder and harder to detect. Darwins 5 weeks on Galapagos pushed him to develop his theory of evolution and thats also why when we think of evolution we think of the Galapagos and in Mon, 07 Apr 2008 15:48:02 +0000. So damn case in point. The guy who wins, he spent $500,000. And what we'd do is we'd find a location as close as we could. 179 years later, the Galapagos It's called scandia sharpie thing. But I go up to him and I yell at him, who's your candidate and he said, I am a candidate? We found this on 13 islands. I guess. Not worse. To take good question. If they can't make babies, the population will crash and in some cases you can successfully eradicate a species. What if on these islands, thousands of tourists arrive every day carrying fruits and chocolates and souvenirs jumping from island to island. Our newsletter comes out every Wednesday. You have to find all those other goats circle real low, you fly around them, round them up, try and get them in a single group and then They start picking off the goats one x 1 x one and they're actually videos online where you see these packs of goats running for their lives. They weren't sure they'd eventually name him George lonesome George. Were all great apes. It's like yes look at this. 25400 U.S. Highway 19 North, Suite 158. They're not sure where it came from or quite how it got here. And that's paul Watson, founder of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society. Week two weeks go by, you fire up the helicopter. And this guy, he doesn't even say anything. So we, you know, we do this interview in english and I'm almost embarrassed that I wanted to talk to him because I think the dude is just gonna be so down and out exactly the opposite. Our fact checkers are diane kelly, Emily Krieger and Adam Sibyl Hi, I'm Erica in Yonkers leadership. Yeah, exactly. And they're like, I don't know who the guy was, but it turns out he was the incumbent. And I'm like, what are you? And he tells me, well, I'm nervous. Set up a little expat community and started breeding with the locals. Chimps. As our co-Hosts Lulu Miller and Latif Nasser are out this week, we are re-sharing the perfect episode to start the summer season! And then you wait instinctively that loan go will go and find other goats. There's a little hole into the brain of this little finch. And he told me that in the seventies and eighties lobster was fished all year round no restrictions. Hey listeners, this is molly Webster. more about how IBM is using AI to help organizations create more resilient and sustainable infrastructure and operations by visiting IBM dot com slash sustainability this week on the new yorker radio hour, we're joined by Alan Alda Alda talks about growing up around burlesque shows his life as an actor, science feminism and how he took up podcasting in his eighties. They literally drove the rangers out of the National Park headquarters and took it over on Isabella. Is there any time scale we should worry about. You had tons of sailors making these long voyages across the Pacific and Galapagos was the major ports on the whaling route where you come and get fresh water, but you'd also come in and pick up tortoises, land tortoises and you know, boats would take away several 100 of them often and turn them upside down and they can last for up to a year and a half in the hold of a ship like lying there, upside down, lying there upside down in order to make space for the tortoises. I can see the sea cargo ships going by and we have drones flying that are taking thousands of pictures of every angle of that bridge that no human could actually quickly process without artificial intelligence. The medium tree finch has patrol that boundary. Addeddate. He was on santa cruz Island having dinner with some friends and we got into chatting about tortoises and one of the people he's eating with says, hey, I was recently on pinata Island collecting snails and I saw this tortoise and I thought, do you know what you have done? And more importantly, can we? And that is how they go from 90% go free to 91 to 92 to 93 to 94. Let's go back to a better time. This foundation is this idea of pristine wilderness from the very beginning, I think all of us well I can't speak for other people, but but you always have this idea of wanting to get it back to some kind of pre human condition, pre human being, the operative word. Thanks to Trish Dolman and screen siren pictures, Alex gala font Mathias espinosa. You mean eat the fly larva? So there are no people there. And the fishermen are like, who are you to tell me that I can't feed my family. The adult fly seems to be harmless. But according to Linda sometime in the late 1970s, the goats got brave. But compared to the medium tree finch is they are because the medium tree finch is were on the brink of extinction. I'm soren wheeler lulu and latif are out this week. Yeah. Here at Radiolab we wanted to flip that flop, so we dredged up the most mortifying, most audio story. So we we go outside. They take 39 tortoises raised in captivity and they use them as placeholders. You had the small tree finches and the medium tree finch is. You could see the marks where it was just chopped up. You know because like we talked about in the 17 18 hundreds, these whalers would come along grab a bunch of tortoises, put them on the ship and then they would hunt for whales. But then my power supply didn't work and my nook died. 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