A missionary is released with a Stake President 10 min meeting and great job, so why do we need to take hours for them reporting to the High Council. And time limits for each one! As an example of having seen that years ago our bishop asked each auxiliary presidency to fast, attend the temple and pray about a specific scripture and consider its application to their stewardship and how they could ultimately help their members grow closer to the Lord. Those phone calls we were prepared, we felt the spirit and we went ahead all in about 10-15 minutes. The branch council finds that the members challenges can often be solved at the local level. This is a sample of what it looks like with fake names. Elder Oaks gave a definition back in April of 2014 when he said, Priesthood keys are the authority God has given to priesthood [holders] to direct, control, and govern the use of His priesthood on earth. In a ward council meeting, for example, the bishop is the one directing the meeting according to the keys he holds. Ive tried to practice some of the things listed, but lately Ive felt like my meetings havent been as productive. Our meeting came, we opened with a prayer and scripture study and proceeded to discuss a number of individuals, but more importantly, action plans for those individuals, for the coming week. I always wondered why we are here discussing everyone elses problems. It comes when a youth leader has a candid conversation with a young man who trusts him. The church does not operate on a volunteer basis. And some of these items need to be addressed before Sunday, so when can we meet again before Sunday? They areasked to. If you run a bad meeting, the only thing to increase is the eye-rolling. So, to go back to the earlier comment about too few meetings, I think that while we become more effective in any given time frame, a lot of us need to spend more time coaching and training and leading just maybe not with everyone in the room. Youve never been a Church Leader before have you? Ive participated in meetings where, at the conclusion, participants couldnt believe how much time had passed because it felt like no time at all. Usually the bishop takes a paper with some notes. If your tech distracts you, then get rid of it. Delegate and Follow Up! This was done to help speed our process, help us remember who was in what position, what positions were open, etc. Stake councils are held when excommunication is a possibility for a man ordained to the faith's Melchizedek Priesthood. It was gratifying for me as a bishop to hear members say, This is what Ive done, instead of, What do you want me to do?, The response in Joplin shows the power of a united ward council. Not every leader will be great at meetings, and in most cases, Ill happily trade lack of that skill, for the other gifts the Lord sent them to their calling to use. Remember Life is a Test! Thats just an idea that really helped us to have more effective meetings. They lack people skills, leadership skills, and tend to turn others off. Im not sure how to resolve this as we have to continue functioning. Plus it gave me a break from having to attend so many meeting! And on the bright side I do believe there will be better members, better leaders, and better meetings in the next life! Soon after his call, he shared with me one day how different the feeling is to be a counselor to a presiding authority as opposed to being the presiding authority. Meetings in the Churchits a love/hate thing. When that relationship is there and improved, the recommends, baptisms, etc., will come organically. For an interesting different take on things, I would suggest checking this book out (its out of print, so go to your local library or AMAZON for a used copy its cheap) and relate to Elder Bednars teachings about seeking inspiration to do what the Lord wants us to do. Thanks for sharing! Inspiration follows. I emailed my counselors this morning and among other things from this post, told them our EQ Pres meetings would not last any longer than 45 minutes from now on. #2 Anyone can cancel and #4 Agenda required are both good rules. I think there is some drastic attitude adjustment needed, but since weve worked so hard to have everything come from the top, itll need to come from there before it changes. She does all she can to help the women increase their faith and personal righteousness, strengthen families and homes, and help those in need. We can't wait to see you in the morning! Learn, share then go & do is my motto with this stuff. On Sunday last I was in a ward council during which a Bishop made the following statement: "As I counseled with a sister this week, I felt impressed to tell her that the reason she was required to go through what she was facing was because she needed that . This gave the children courage to move forward. There are still those that are hanging onto tradition, however, After this next generation, I think itll be gone. Aug 29, 2021 - Explore Melinda Manley's board "Ward Council Spiritual Thought", followed by 334 people on Pinterest. Anything outside the 3-hour block is thought to be intrusive to the family and Church Callings are just not meant to be done outside that 3 hours on Sunday. We can offer positive suggestions and ideas. The timer has spoken. But he doesnt have to receive every jot and tittle of the revelation., Your email address will not be published. I hope it helps those individuals reassess their approach to meetings and have better revelatory experiences. No one is required to atteng a meeting. I have attended meetings that were too long at 20 min and at 2hrs plus that were not too long. So in that council, as you have that spirit of unity and act under the influence of the Spirit, the contributions of all of the council members add elements to the inspiration. Have you ever tried to reorganize visiting teaching? Saying that, The bishop isnt there to get revelation sounds shaky. Most of my experience is that the President/leader of the group doesnt truly utilize the Secretary/clerk. But dont confuse efficiency for revelation. (1) when an issue takes up time at a meeting that could easily (or even more effectively) be dealt with in an email; Awesome points, everyone! This is a perfect example of Parkinsons law. I have always believed that the only thing better than a short meeting is no meeting at all. If you can walk to the stake center in 10 minutesit is a blessing that supports shorter more frequentHC or other meeting. They wondered where to look, how best to help, and which church members had the right interests, skills and resources to rescue. 22 reviews. A Psalm of Thanksgiving. Unfortunately, I cannot agree with most of the things you have said. But I think well all be better off going by the spirit instead. Its a waste of peoples time to review a list of announcements, activity details, dates, etc. Yes we have tried conference calls but all agree it is not the same spirit. Three principles for more meaningful prayer. The stake president moved things around so people werent out so late. Thus, polling your council members can confirm and refine your efforts. I wish you actually provided suggestions instead of full on criticisms. So, just curiousif we truly see these as being revelatory experiences, then they should be treated similarly to our sacrament meetings. To help stress the principle taught in 2:4.6.11 (see quoted paragraph above), the agenda structure removed all references to separate organizations and instead listed the missions of the Church: Beginning each meeting with a spiritual thought typically out of the scriptures or a general conference talk followed by a very brief discussion (2-3 comments tops) invites the Spirit, sets the tone, and starts the council thinking with a spiritual mindset. Droundy, I think is foolish to think that you can limit every meeting to sixty minites for instance high council meeting where missionaries report thier mission ,with the increased number of missionary there just isnt enough time in sixty minite meeting due to the number of missionarys .Remember Its the Lords work and as long as your making progress then a few more minites of our time wont hurt. Spending too much time in meetings not only keep you away from your most important duty, your family, but it also wears on the people serving to the point they hope they are not in presidencies anymore. Except for a year off for good behavior to teach Primary, I have been participating in ward leadership meetings every Sunday morning for the past twenty-five years. Spiritual Thoughts and Heavenly Actions Spiritual Thoughts and Heavenly Actions A source for all things spiritually up lifting. Cheshire Cat: That depends a good deal on where you want to get to. Though the title may sound negative towards meetings, the book is all about making meetings a place where work gets done and people want to be. I am new in this site, and I am grateful to all who have posted comments, whether I agree with them or not. What was your favorite part of the event tonight? I think it was this thread that put me into the zone seriously. I would have old buisness and new business items on the agenda. The branch council also draws on Church resources, such as the LDS Employment Services career workshop materials.2 They established a class taught by a branch member, which helped another branch member find a better job. is thinking.I could be out with my presidency visiting families. They make me so frustrated when theyre run poorly! They also help provide an atmosphere more conducive to enhanced communication. I went to a town 5 hours including a boat ride away to my parents house so they could help with my other 2 small children. I will do what I can do, I will focus on whats important, and I will try my best. Nope. This is not a step to take if a member simply expresses a dissenting idea! It is easy to get caught up In talking about people in ward council, but our focus should be more on how we can help people take whatever next step they need toward eternal life. "The laughter of the world is merely loneliness pathetically trying to reassure itself.". Jacob learned that if he kept the covenant, God would be with him everywhere he went, that God would fulfill everything he promised to do for him, and that God would bring him back to the land of. But in our case, its much less intrusive on the time of our members if we have a meeting that goes a little later instead of having an additional meeting that requires them to travel again. Once the bishop has sought inspiration on the base of a vision for his ward, and it is discussed, refined, augmented, and finally solidified by the Spirit in discussion with the bishopric council, it is ready to be taken to the ward council for their input and suggested improvements. A week before I was called as a stake RS president, I attended a stake/ward leadership training meeting where stake presidents closing remarks were based solely on delegation and among other wonderful words of encouragement and counsel, related the story of Moses & his father-in-law, Jethro (Exodus 18) Being made aware of that principle has certainly helped me to cope and to enjoy serving in whatever capacity I have been called to serve. Participants paired (or tripled) up and the ward clerk handed out names of two to four individuals/families in the ward. We were in the know. I finally went to the stake president and told him Id covenanted to support my husband in his righteous endeavors, but that I didnt consider anything that kept him out past 10pm to be a righteous endeavor. We only did this for 12 or so months, but this was the year our ward saw 20 baptisms and was strengthened by a dozen returning members. If there isn't/wasn't then you haven't made it to happily ever after. I have generally been involved in music and managed to avoid lengthy council meetings. Do you want to become like Satan or like Christ? They attend all of the Ward Council or PEC Meetings themselves. Especially if there isnt an agenda. We prayed and listened for answers, and they camethey always came. We also took a lot of notes, and updated agendas on the fly for our next meetings. Seems like gossip takes up most of the meeting. I know that when he is gone, it is for something to truly necessary and not for a meeting that is just for the sake of having a meeting. The length of a meeting should be kept to the minimum amout of time need to fulfill the goal of the meeting. If a meeting lacked the Spirit, we all knew it, and it helped the one conducting learn where he could improve where applicable. I have sat in wonderment at some of the things said about people. And it may take several Saturdays to accomplish this year long plan. The lack of following tech etquette IS destracting. Great point! Do you have any source to back up this statement: The bishop isnt there to receive revelation; he is there to confirm revelation.? Here are my observations of how this bishop achieved so much: Meetings, callings, the church itself: are all pointless unless there is a vision. The bishop replied to his ward member that he did not have a watch with him the night before, but he knew he wouldn't need one. Use a timer! I thought of the leaders, the members, and the missionaries who had worked in unity and of their Christlike love and service. And Toastmasters set a time limit for each agenda item! Joseph F. Smith's Gratitude for Blessings. I once spent 2.5 hours in a Bishops Council where the majority of the time was spent reviewing the calendar. He established a clear, simple vision, from which all activities fed into and moved the ward closer to realizing that vision. We did so much with those kids that 10 years later they still talk about their Primary Days and are using our ideas in their own presidencies. I agree that all too often, people sit in a meeting without activly thinking on what they or their organization could do to help or to solve a problem. I think Leading Saints & my stake president attended the same leadership school. Time becomes largely irrelevant when you are about the work of the Lord. See more ideas about spiritual thoughts, lds quotes, church quotes. Sixty minutes is too much if anything. I usually ask to be released when I run into a church leader like this. As they do, they will harness the extraordinary power of these councils to help the Lord bless His children and accomplish His work. People would enjoy their callings more and sense more satisfaction. It comes via one-by-one ministry. Some members eventually leave the church altogether, or go inactive! The ward council meeting is one of the most important meetings in the Church, wrote Elder M.Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, because priesthood quorum and auxiliary leaders can discuss and plan with the bishopric. (please comment below) Meetings longer than 60 minutes damage your effectiveness as a leader. management principles in the corp world for many years. I am not sure if I am reading your comment in the right tone but it sounds like my article offended you. I really do not like church meetings especially high council meetings because they are so poorly run. I am a Laurel class president and chair 1-2 meetings a month. Some may argue over the details of what an agenda is. If not you will hear in the halls of the Church buildings. This is in no way a statement of apostasy. I have served in just about every calling.Temple leadershipMission Presidency, Stake Presidency, Bishop, HPGL, all of that. Honey.I have the Ward Council to go to. Be creative and save people some time and money by using conferencing. Another problem with ward council is that it tends to be a gossip session about So-and-So familys problems, etc. No Round-Robin: Just because you are sitting in a circle doesnt mean you need to talk in a circle. Im definitely still learning. I realize that last minute changes occur but an annual meeting schedule could help solve so many problems up front. His BA in International Studies doesnt do much in the IT industry where he works as a software product manager for Salt Lake City-based Samaritan Technologies. Each member of the council can improve in some way. The rank and file workers are often clueless, and quietly steaming. They work together in love to serve and strengthen individuals and families in the ward or branch. As we would test and determine which practices had a positive effect on our bishopric meetings, wed introduce them to the ward council. The effect was that we learned that while the bishop has the final say in decisions, we stopped looking for him to do all of the talking and thinking for us. Im keeping mine. It comes when a youth leader has a candid conversation with a young man who trusts him. The Lord has prepared ways for His children to be protected and loved, she thought. Ding! I, for one, think this is an incredible useful post. I agree with a lot that you said but feel bad that you classify my opinion in a negative light. We expect perfect home and visiting teachers! Prepared people held to 60min or less is highly productive and the spirit can communicate quickly what needs to be done. We have not been talking about a ward council meeting. I have ventured to using the red handbook almost as a weapon to invite them to change and try something new to see how it would work but I have had ward leaders tell me how they dont care about the red handbook. The leader needs to instruct the secretary, several days in advance, as to what should should be on the agenda and then the secretary can send the agenda out by e-mail, mail or whatever. But wait!!! One of your comments above says if theres a bunch of missionaries reporting, lets have that in a separate meeting and have ice cream! When you have your device in the meeting you can make sure you arent on Facebook but you cant guarantee everyone is doing that same. And yet we are all Children of our Father in Heaven! I remember this from a bishop I served with as a councilor years ago. Here's your daily dose of what matters most! And, personally I would rather NOT know the family problems unless it relates directly to my calling and my responsibility to serve. However you do need to keep certain items confidential. As Melissa turned her attention back to the ward council meeting, she thought, If only everyone could be surrounded by such loving friends and leaders as they progress toward the temple., Her thoughts were interrupted as she heard the Relief Society president comment on a sister in need: She wasnt at church last Sunday. #livingproof, if you think the lord has turned his back on you - turn around, Didi @ Relief Society: Your Wonderful Journey Home - 2013 General Young Women Meeting - Card, Everyone has a story| You can't have one with out the other and there has to be an inbetween to get you from point A to point B. Theres nothing more distracting than a smartphone or tablet. It seems there is too much left undone in too many callings these days. But in the end there is a planning calendar developed and a year long budget developed. I want to use Ward Council as the model in this post, but this information can be applied to most meetings within the church. And better listeners! I believe my mothers advice: if your meeting is longer than it needs to be, you end up gossiping as a group. (2010 World Wide Leadership Training). Nobody has time to pre-brainstorm because (1) nobody plans that far in advance, (2) they actually believe that the Ward Council is the meeting where this takes place. Writing from his experiences as a husband, father, bishop, high councilor, general Sunday School board member, and stake president, the author adds his expertise as a professional sociologist to this serious look at what it would take to prepare the Saints, their families, and their wards for millennial living. I dont believe the Spirit operates according to your unbreakable rules. #LDS, We loved this quote from John Bytheway in #tofwsanantonio tonight! Do whateverworks for you, as long as those attending the meeting know what will be discussed and have time prior to the meeting to process the information. However, We are also a volunteer church and we have a volunteer lay leadership and not a trained professional ministry. I agree. If someone on the council has reason to not come to the meeting or, quite frankly, doesnt want to be in the meeting, then they should have the right to not be there. If it isnt, cancel it; it isnt worth holding a meeting that is anything different. Yeah, I think we agree more than we disagree. Our Ward Council meetings have historically lasted 90 minutes. (2) when we discuss an issue but the leader in charge doesnt assign any action as a result of it; (that makes me sound old). Im not trying to push my ideas on anyone, Im just sharing them. He created an environment where council members felt like peers and that their voices were not only important, but imperative to the revelatory process. I used the title in the image Unbreakable Rules as manly a way to intrigue the audience, and it worked. "God expects you to have enough faith and determination and enough trust in Him to keep moving, keep living, keep rejoicing. Youth quorums and girl auxiliarys are rearely held because that takes too much time for the YW Leaders so the adult leaders plan everything. But never, and I mean NEVER, is a meeting worth 61 minutes. To learn more about succeeding in your calling, visit the Leadership Training Library, available in several languages at leadershiplibrary.lds.org. Great points! We arent saving souls by spending 3 hours listening to 10 return missionaries at HC meeting. I have read the handbook regarding the meetings and would like to design agendas which help us to better meet the specific goals and outlines for each meeting. How to hold effective and productive meetings in church! We are all volunteers and have no paid clergy or professionally trained lay leadership. That would work great for the stakes in Utah and Arizona where I used to live where the Stake Center is only a mile or two away. This is nice encouragement for those holding 3 hour meetings (you should be ashamed), but in reality there is no meeting that needs to go longer than 60 minutes. Been there, done that, experienced that! Having these as goals is important, but if Bishop just isnt a good meeting leader, Ill cut him some slack, maybe try to help him out, and focus on what he does bring to the table. See Elder M.Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, Counseling with Our Councils (1997), 106, 109, 112. Who Is Involved in the Ward or Branch Council? Dont preach your personal preference as an absolute that others should follow. Im a firm believer in keeping meetings under an hour. I love that quote you mentioned. That is not true everywhere..yet. But to cast these as unbreakable rules makes no sense. Replies to my comments As each man stood, I thought of the miracle that had taken place in his life and in the lives of the women and children around him. MLS is terrible at this we put on one page what MLS put on 14. by mcdarby Wed Jan 18, 2017 12:07 am. I also strongly object to the language you use in point #6. The EQ Pres. Thats why were at church. Ward Activities. Now, if someone is playing a game on their device, thats a different story entirely. Efficient meetings still require that people prepare. Also when you use a written agenda have meeting minutes prepared afterwards and send them out to everyone that requires them. This gives the rest of the group time to prepare so that the meeting and discussions are more to the point and effective. I have concerns with #5 no tech. See more ideas about spiritual thoughts, lds quotes, church quotes. Left: photo illustration by JoshuaJ. Perkey. Wow! I think that goes without saying. It all seems a tad presumptuous that you should be able to state unbreakable rules about church meetings. Have you ever noticed that people almost never complain when a meeting goes a few minutes long, but when it ends short, they lose their minds? Hold a meeting to have a meeting. I think meetings in the church are always a big challenge and a big issue. Cheshire Cat: Then it doesnt matter which way you go. Elder Bednar was teaching the principle of being spiritually prepared to participate in councilswhat we do beforehand that will invite the spirit into our council meetings. Its not exactly their fault if they dont know how to conduct a meeting. You will see how to run effective meetings! [He] can also provide continuity between the ward council and the priesthood executive committee.. The bishopric is responsible for all ward members, organizations, and activities. Our best presidency meetings happened while I was away. 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